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15 Head Coaches More Qualified than Miles
Posted on 9/28/10 at 1:45 am
Posted on 9/28/10 at 1:45 am
Paraphrasing, I was asked this question (PHXTigers) in a previous thread, but I did wayyyy to much F-ing research to have it die as a simple reply, so here is a new thread:
Well guarantee is a little strong. You certainly cannot guarantee Miles is going to win 55 of his next 70 games here at LSU, much less another coach.
That being said, we certainly did not hire Miles knowing what he was going to do here, so we have to base the search for a candidate based on what Miles was able to prove BEFORE he took over arguably the most talented team in the country without a coach in 2005.
Before coming to LSU, Miles was 28-21 at Oklahoma State. I guess we should start the search there for coaches who won 57% of their games the last 4 or so years at a school. Also, the guy behind Miles was 30-38 (44%), so we need to find coaches who have improved the winning percentage of their predecessor by +12-13% or more.
Here are 14 guys more and sometimes much more qualified now than Les was in 2005. Let's see:
Bo Pelini (Nebraska): 24-8 (75%) since 2008, Nebraska won 55% of its games from 2004-2007. +20%
Paul Johnson (GT) : 22-9 (71%) since 2008, Ga Tech won 57% of its games from 2002-2007. +14%
Jim Grobe (WF) : 61-53 (54%) since 2001, WF won 29% of its games from 1993-2000. Grobe is 33-19 (63%) from 2006-2009. Conservatively +25%
Turner Gill (Buffalo, now Kansas): 20-30 (40%) since 2006, Buffalo won only 19 games (17%) from 1996-2005. +23%
Todd Graham (Tulsa): 21-7 (75%) since 2007, Tulsa won 57% of its games from 2003-2006. +18%
Butch Jones (CMU, now Cinci): 27-13 (68%) since 2007, CMU won 54% of their games from 2003-2006. +14%
Brian Kelly (Cinci, now ND): 34-6 (85%) since 2007, Cinci won 51% of its games from 2003-2006. +34%
Mark Dantonio (Mich St): 25-17 (60%) since 2007, Mich St won 46% from 2000-2006. +14%
Gary Patterson (TCU): 88-28 (76%) since 2000, TCU won 49% of its games from 1992-1999. +27% (How this guy is not already a HC at a big time BCS school is completely beyond me)
Jim Harbaugh (Stanford): 21-20 (53%) since 2007, Stanfrod won 29% of its games from 2001-2006. +24%
June Jones (SMU): 38% since 2008, SMU won 26% of its games from 2002 to 2007. +12%
Skip Holts (ECU, now USF): 38-27 (58%) since 2005, ECU won 27% of its games from 2001-2004. +31%
Art Briles (Baylor): 11-17 (39%) since 2008, Baylor won 26% of its games from 2002-2007. +13%
Greg Schiano (Rutgers): 57-55 (51%) since 2001, Rutgers won 20% of its games from 1996-2000. +31%
Troy Calhoun (Air Force): 28-15 (65%) since 2007, Air Force won 43% of its games from 2003-2006. +22%
Kevin Sumlin (Houston): 20-9 (69%) since 2008, Houston won 55% of its games from 2003-2007. +14%
Others like Kyle Whittingham, Chris Peterson, and Chip Kelly have not necessarily improved their teams, but have excelled in upholding the winning ways into which they walked.
Note: Since Miles has left, Oklahoma State has slightly improved to 58% winning percentage.
Am I missing any other HCs that are not already at big time programs (Saban, Meyer, etc)?
Thoughts on these candidates?
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What other coaches out there would guarantee a better winning percentage than Miles has had since he has been here?
Do not include coordinators who have never been a head coach in college and what not.
Well guarantee is a little strong. You certainly cannot guarantee Miles is going to win 55 of his next 70 games here at LSU, much less another coach.
That being said, we certainly did not hire Miles knowing what he was going to do here, so we have to base the search for a candidate based on what Miles was able to prove BEFORE he took over arguably the most talented team in the country without a coach in 2005.
Before coming to LSU, Miles was 28-21 at Oklahoma State. I guess we should start the search there for coaches who won 57% of their games the last 4 or so years at a school. Also, the guy behind Miles was 30-38 (44%), so we need to find coaches who have improved the winning percentage of their predecessor by +12-13% or more.
Here are 14 guys more and sometimes much more qualified now than Les was in 2005. Let's see:
Bo Pelini (Nebraska): 24-8 (75%) since 2008, Nebraska won 55% of its games from 2004-2007. +20%
Paul Johnson (GT) : 22-9 (71%) since 2008, Ga Tech won 57% of its games from 2002-2007. +14%
Jim Grobe (WF) : 61-53 (54%) since 2001, WF won 29% of its games from 1993-2000. Grobe is 33-19 (63%) from 2006-2009. Conservatively +25%
Turner Gill (Buffalo, now Kansas): 20-30 (40%) since 2006, Buffalo won only 19 games (17%) from 1996-2005. +23%
Todd Graham (Tulsa): 21-7 (75%) since 2007, Tulsa won 57% of its games from 2003-2006. +18%
Butch Jones (CMU, now Cinci): 27-13 (68%) since 2007, CMU won 54% of their games from 2003-2006. +14%
Brian Kelly (Cinci, now ND): 34-6 (85%) since 2007, Cinci won 51% of its games from 2003-2006. +34%
Mark Dantonio (Mich St): 25-17 (60%) since 2007, Mich St won 46% from 2000-2006. +14%
Gary Patterson (TCU): 88-28 (76%) since 2000, TCU won 49% of its games from 1992-1999. +27% (How this guy is not already a HC at a big time BCS school is completely beyond me)
Jim Harbaugh (Stanford): 21-20 (53%) since 2007, Stanfrod won 29% of its games from 2001-2006. +24%
June Jones (SMU): 38% since 2008, SMU won 26% of its games from 2002 to 2007. +12%
Skip Holts (ECU, now USF): 38-27 (58%) since 2005, ECU won 27% of its games from 2001-2004. +31%
Art Briles (Baylor): 11-17 (39%) since 2008, Baylor won 26% of its games from 2002-2007. +13%
Greg Schiano (Rutgers): 57-55 (51%) since 2001, Rutgers won 20% of its games from 1996-2000. +31%
Troy Calhoun (Air Force): 28-15 (65%) since 2007, Air Force won 43% of its games from 2003-2006. +22%
Kevin Sumlin (Houston): 20-9 (69%) since 2008, Houston won 55% of its games from 2003-2007. +14%
Others like Kyle Whittingham, Chris Peterson, and Chip Kelly have not necessarily improved their teams, but have excelled in upholding the winning ways into which they walked.
Note: Since Miles has left, Oklahoma State has slightly improved to 58% winning percentage.
Am I missing any other HCs that are not already at big time programs (Saban, Meyer, etc)?
Thoughts on these candidates?
This post was edited on 9/28/10 at 2:13 am
Posted on 9/28/10 at 1:49 am to slackster
You've got too much time on your hands
Posted on 9/28/10 at 1:49 am to slackster
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Todd Graham (Tulsa)
Been to the Tulsa Team Camps before. Graham is a good coach and gets smart coordinators to work with him. Idk if he'd be a good SEC Coach tho.
Posted on 9/28/10 at 1:59 am to saintsfan22
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You've got too much time on your hands
Do I ever. It is hard to track down the statistics for places like SMU for whatever reason, but it is easy to find for the fricking Buffalo Bulls.
Posted on 9/28/10 at 2:03 am to slackster
Harbaugh and Patterson are the only viable candidates of those choices. Doubt Pelini would leave Neb. and Kelly definitely isn't leaving ND.
Posted on 9/28/10 at 2:04 am to slackster
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Gary Patterson (TCU): 88-28 (76%) since 2000, TCU won 49% of its games from 1992-1999. +27% (How this guy is not already a HC is completely beyond me)
This post was edited on 9/28/10 at 2:05 am
Posted on 9/28/10 at 2:05 am to slackster
Kevin Sumlin should be on that list
Posted on 9/28/10 at 2:07 am to yurintroubl
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yurintroubl
Nice find. I will edit . Getting tired.
Posted on 9/28/10 at 2:10 am to slackster
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15 Head Coaches More Qualified than Miles
Negi-Tigers Alert!
If those other 15 coaches were better than Les Miles...why didn't they recruit and land Patrick Peterson and the rest of the defense and special teams.
The only recruit Les missed out on is Andrew Luck...but at the time he had Perriloux and Standford had Prichard. You can't get the best every year.
Les Miles should be LSU's coach till he can't...like Bear Bryant and Joe Pa. I'll even take the Bobby Bowden treatment!
It wasn't so long ago these dumbARSE LSU fan's complainted about Jamarcus Russell...(he wasn't so bad after all now was he?)
Posted on 9/28/10 at 2:17 am to LSUPHILLY72
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Les Miles should be LSU's coach till he can't...like Bear Bryant and Joe Pa. I'll even take the Bobby Bowden treatment!
Whooaaaa now.
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If those other 15 coaches were better than Les Miles.
Not exactly saying that. I am saying these are 15 coaches who are more qualified than Miles was when he took over this program in 2005.
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why didn't they recruit and land Patrick Peterson and the rest of the defense and special teams.
1st of all, you cannot credit him for the defense without chastising him for the QB position and OL issues in the past.
2nd, if I was the #1 CB coming out of high school, I would not sniff the University of Buffalo if Vince Lombardi was coaching there.
Posted on 9/28/10 at 2:24 am to LSUPHILLY72
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Les Miles should be LSU's coach till he can't...like Bear Bryant and Joe Pa. I'll even take the Bobby Bowden treatment!
Good grief! Please, please tell me what would warrant this kind of treatment towards Miles?
Posted on 9/28/10 at 2:38 am to grif82
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Good grief! Please, please tell me what would warrant this kind of treatment towards Miles?
His winning percentage?
A National Championship.
Posted on 9/28/10 at 2:39 am to LSUPHILLY72
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His winning percentage?
How low would it have to get before you decide he needs to go?
What is the shelf life of a NC?
Posted on 9/28/10 at 2:44 am to LSUPHILLY72
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His winning percentage?
A National Championship.
Boy, then that settles it!!!!!
Quick get Alleva on the phone!!! Les Miles to a life time contract ASAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you LSUPHILLY72 for making me see the light!!!!! You are a fricking genius!!!!!!!
Posted on 9/28/10 at 2:44 am to slackster
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How low would it have to get before you decide he needs to go?
First...he would have to lose a game. So far he is 4-0 this year.
So far...so good!
How many games in a row does a coach have to win before you don't want him to be fired?
Posted on 9/28/10 at 2:47 am to grif82
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You are a fricking genius!!!!!!
I am a football savant.
Thanks for recognizing it.
Posted on 9/28/10 at 2:49 am to LSUPHILLY72
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I am a football savant.
More like you are a joke
Posted on 9/28/10 at 2:50 am to LSUPHILLY72
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How many games in a row does a coach have to win before you don't want him to be fired?
I want him fired? Nahh.
I want him to take much more responsibility for his program though. Firing assistants every couple of years should not be a simple fix for another year as a head coach.
However, for the average poster, if he rolls off 8 straight, most would be very happy.
Posted on 9/28/10 at 2:51 am to LSUPHILLY72
quote:Joe M.
The only recruit Les missed out on is Andrew Luck...but at the time he had Perriloux and Standford had Prichard. You can't get the best every year.
Posted on 9/28/10 at 3:00 am to LSUPHILLY72
So, his winning percentage is at 78.5% (55-15) at LSU. Very good indeed. Would 70% be low enough? Like say 91-40? (69.4%)?
I hope that would be enough, because that would be an 8-5 season in 2010-2014.
See why winning percentage is dumb reason to keep a coach?
What if we finish 4-8? Hell, his average would be 70.5%. Should we keep him because it is still high?
I hope that would be enough, because that would be an 8-5 season in 2010-2014.
See why winning percentage is dumb reason to keep a coach?
What if we finish 4-8? Hell, his average would be 70.5%. Should we keep him because it is still high?
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