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re: Nadal is no doubt the best ever.
Posted on 9/14/10 at 12:39 pm to PokerLawyer
Posted on 9/14/10 at 12:39 pm to PokerLawyer
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Question: when did Fed. lose his stranglehold? Answer: When Nadal came along. Point being, who knows where the next shot in the dark comes from.
Nadal wasn't a shot in the dark. He was arguably the best teenage tennis player ever and a prodigy that everyone knew about. There's no one like that right now.
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As for Wimbledon, until Fed dies or goes partially blind, I'll put him as odds on favorite every time
One of the most obnoxious homer statements I've read in a while.
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What are you talking about? The all time holder of GS titles (including ones contested by Rafa) is not, almost by definition, the GOAT? Ok....
No bc Laver would have more if he'd been allowed to play during his prime, Borg would have more had he played longer, and Sampras has almost as many and against better competitino. Not saying you can't make an argument for Fed but you can make just as good of one for either of them.
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For me, the bottom line is that I don't know that I've ever seen a single player dominate all the rest of the field the way Fed has done. Whether that's due to a thin field or something else, I'm not sure.
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Rafa doesn't generate the "gimme" GS title feel the same way that Fed did, IMO.
Right because he didn't just have one of the dominant US Open tournaments on his worse surface.
Posted on 9/15/10 at 7:07 am to FootballNostradamus
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Nadal wasn't a shot in the dark. He was arguably the best teenage tennis player ever and a prodigy that everyone knew about. There's no one like that right now.
Way too literal, my friend. What I'm saying is that it doesn't take too long for the next best thing to come along. It isn't inconceivable that a current tour player, floating outside the top 100 in his first or second year, doesn't come into his own. There are a whole lot of variables that could very much deprive Rafa of anymore GS titles or limit them dramatically that nobody sees just yet.
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One of the most obnoxious homer statements I've read in a while.
But true. Fed's game is as much designed for grass as Rafa's is for clay. Period. That translates into Fed being odds on favorite. Oh, and the fact that when he wins his next one, I'll have to start using the other hand to count them all.
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No bc Laver would have more if he'd been allowed to play during his prime, Borg would have more had he played longer, and Sampras has almost as many and against better competitino. Not saying you can't make an argument for Fed but you can make just as good of one for either of them.
Yeah, what if, what if, what if. Apples and oranges. I'm talking about GS completed, as the format requires today. No doubt that Borg, Laver, Sampras and a few others on a very short list have a strong case. But, again, and pay attention this time, those hypthetical GS that they could have had or the bunch that Sampras had are all behind Fed in reality.
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Right because he didn't just have one of the dominant US Open tournaments on his worse surface.
I can't even make sense of this. Because Rafa walked through a tournament on his worst surface, for the first time, he's immortal now? Maybe that's why Fed has been immortal. Go have a look at how many finals in Paris, before ultimately winning the title, Fed appeared in on his worst surface. That's crazy good. Moreover, we all know that on clay, there's rarely a thin field because clay is the great equalizer. Paris can be won be any number of players who have the clay style - Berastegui, Kuerten, Courier, Chang, etc... A player can win in France when he can't win anywhere else. FACT.
My point is that unless and until Rafa shows prolonged dominance on courts other than clay (and, although impressive, a run since 2008 'til now just ain't even close), he is simply a footnote to Fed.
This post was edited on 9/15/10 at 7:09 am
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