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re: Nadal is no doubt the best ever.

Posted on 9/14/10 at 11:23 am to
Posted by FootballNostradamus
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Posted on 9/14/10 at 11:23 am to
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unless he starts knocking on the door of the all time grand slam numbers (IMHO he has to get to at least 13 or 14 before this argument has serious merit), his career has just been really good. Not GOAT.


Barring injury is there a chance in hell he doesn't? Does anyone come close to beating him at the French of the Wimbledon? Winning those two the next two years already puts him at 13 and that's assuming he never wins anything after those or anything on hard courts.

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I do think he is currently the best player on earth


Glad you think that someone with one of the top 5 years in the history of tennis is the best player on earth.

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Fed could retire tomorrow and he IS the GOAT, without more. Fed has done enough, right now, to be the GOAT if he decided to make choclate in Switzerland and give up tennis.


Like someone mentioned, I still disagree. Today's media is so quick to proclaim people the GOAT. Currently there's no clear-cut winner. Laver, Federer, Sampras and Borg can all make claims.
Posted by TulaneTigerFan
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Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 9/14/10 at 11:27 am to
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Barring injury is there a chance in hell he doesn't? Does anyone come close to beating him at the French of the Wimbledon? Winning those two the next two years already puts him at 13 and that's assuming he never wins anything after those or anything on hard courts.


Yeah, I think you can go ahead and pencil him in as winning the French and Wimbledon for the next few years. I don't see anyone challenging him at either now that Fed has started his decline. I'd also assume that he'd win another hard court slam or two even if he regresses a little on that surface. Federer needs to win at least one more to protect his record IMO.

And BTW I ordered Strokes of Genius and am looking forward to reading it.
This post was edited on 9/14/10 at 11:29 am
Posted by PokerLawyer
Member since Apr 2010
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Posted on 9/14/10 at 11:58 am to
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Barring injury is there a chance in hell he doesn't? Does anyone come close to beating him at the French of the Wimbledon? Winning those two the next two years already puts him at 13 and that's assuming he never wins anything after those or anything on hard courts.

Question: when did Fed. lose his stranglehold? Answer: When Nadal came along. Point being, who knows where the next shot in the dark comes from. You're assuming that Nadal has all these many GS left in him based upon a static field. It ain't static and new players will rise up, maybe the way he did with Fed. As for Wimbledon, until Fed dies or goes partially blind, I'll put him as odds on favorite every time (I obviously do that with Rafa at the French, too).
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Glad you think that someone with one of the top 5 years in the history of tennis is the best player on earth.

Doesn't require much response - I was simply clarifying that the argument for Nadal is not lost on me.
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Like someone mentioned, I still disagree. Today's media is so quick to proclaim people the GOAT. Currently there's no clear-cut winner. Laver, Federer, Sampras and Borg can all make claims.

What are you talking about? The all time holder of GS titles (including ones contested by Rafa) is not, almost by definition, the GOAT? Ok....

For me, the bottom line is that I don't know that I've ever seen a single player dominate all the rest of the field the way Fed has done. Whether that's due to a thin field or something else, I'm not sure. When Fed was in the process of racking up all those Wimbledons and US's it got to be almost a paperwork issue. I don't see that with Rafa anywhere but in France. Rafa doesn't generate the "gimme" GS title feel the same way that Fed did, IMO.
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