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Posted on 9/14/10 at 8:55 am to FootballNostradamus
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I know he might be the greatest passer of all-time, but I think a good serve and volleyer could get a lot of easy points off of Rafa's weak returns.
Movement.
Posted on 9/14/10 at 8:56 am to Rex
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The record speaks for itself... he has DOMINATED the man with the most career Grand Slams in that man's prime in an era of stupendous depth of talent.
This is the main reason I think he'll go down as the GOAT. He essentially ended the career of someone whom people proclaimed the GOAT. If not for Rafa, Fed would have what 9 straight Wimbledons, another Australian, 3 straight French and personally I think he would have more. Rafa showed people he was human and he lost his invencibility. Without Rafa, he would be shattering every record in the game.
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Aside from all that there's not an ounce of arrogance in the man. Rafa!
Yea the guy is ridiculous. He could end up with 50 majors and he's still say he isn't the best.
I've mentioned this on here before but if you like tennis and want a good read, checkout The Greatest Match Ever. It's about Federer and Nadal's 5 set epic at Wimbledon. It delves into so much with their backgrounds, what they did during rain delays, the history of Wimbledon, etc; I read it in a day, phenomenol book!
Posted on 9/14/10 at 8:56 am to DP40
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single season winning percentage records
Just like in golf, its all about the majors.
Posted on 9/14/10 at 8:58 am to FootballNostradamus
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I've mentioned this on here before but if you like tennis and want a good read, checkout The Greatest Match Ever.
Its called strokes of genius.
Posted on 9/14/10 at 9:00 am to barry
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Just like in golf, its all about the majors.
There ya go. I would have loved to see aggasi in his prime vs. Nadal right now. That would be some GREAT tennis.
Posted on 9/14/10 at 9:01 am to Rex
The recency bias on this website and in the media is amazing. Federer's run from Wimby 05 - 07 is >>>>> any stretch of Nadal's career so far. The guy made 10 consecutive grand slam finals and won 8 of them. His semifinal streak is incredible also. Rafa hasn't come close to that consistent level of domination yet. He could, but he it hasn't happened yet.
Posted on 9/14/10 at 9:13 am to TulaneTigerFan
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Federer's run from Wimby 05 - 07 is >>>>> any stretch of Nadal's career so far.
So? Nadal ended all that. This is not about who's had the best career but who's the best player, and Nadal is a better player now than Federer was then.
Posted on 9/14/10 at 9:17 am to Rex
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So? Nadal ended all that. This is not about who's had the best career but who's the best player, and Nadal is a better player now than Federer was then.
Posted on 9/14/10 at 9:21 am to TulaneTigerFan
This is all pointless cause its just Nadal fans arguing with Fed fans.
Posted on 9/14/10 at 9:22 am to DP40
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single season winning percentage records
Mac is #1...Fed in the top-10 3 times
Nadal is nowhere to be found on that list because he usually gets his arse kicked all over the hard courts. After his first success on a fast, North American hard court (in which he had a ridiculously easy draw) he's the instant GOAT apparently.
Posted on 9/14/10 at 9:24 am to barry
The guy is great and easily an all timer, but proclaiming him the GOAT at this stage is laughable. He could eventually reach that status though. I'm interested to see how he'll play at the Australian.
Posted on 9/14/10 at 9:27 am to Rex
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Nadal is a better player now than Federer was then.
%1,000 not this.
Nadal is, without question, in the conversation as one of the best ever. That said, GOAT is not defined by a short span of years and an abbreviated period of brilliance. In other words, while Rafa has undeniably plaid superb tennis, he hasn't done it with the longevity that GOAT demands. I.e., unless he starts knocking on the door of the all time grand slam numbers (IMHO he has to get to at least 13 or 14 before this argument has serious merit), his career has just been really good. Not GOAT.
Feds numbers have eclipsed every tennis player to have ever lived. Rafa is a far cry from those numbers....at the moment. When he gets close, and certainly if he passes the GS total of Fed, the conversation takes a much different turn. The GS total represents many years of consistent dominance. At under 10, Rafa's tenure on the tennis throne is just too short to even be mentioned as GOAT.
I do think he is currently the best player on earth, but that can change like the wind. Ranking defines your play and results for the calendar year - not a career. For a couple of seasons, in years past, several players have dominated the tour (on both the women's and men's side). But, to gauge a career, it will be the entire career that gets judged.
The major difference between the two: Rafa has to have the rest of his career play out and win several more majors to be seriously in the conversation as GOAT. Fed could retire tomorrow and he IS the GOAT, without more. Fed has done enough, right now, to be the GOAT if he decided to make choclate in Switzerland and give up tennis. Rafa has to fight for a long time to come to take that away.
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Posted on 9/14/10 at 9:29 am to TulaneTigerFan
He's already won the Australian, and even in the years you cited he was whipping up on Federer. Youngest ever to achieve nine Grand Slams; youngest ever to achieve a career Grand Slam. 14-7 versus Federer.
And then there's the matter of trusting your own eyes... Nadal is better than Federer ever was.
And then there's the matter of trusting your own eyes... Nadal is better than Federer ever was.
Posted on 9/14/10 at 9:30 am to TulaneTigerFan
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The guy is great and easily an all timer, but proclaiming him the GOAT at this stage is laughable. He could eventually reach that status though. I'm interested to see how he'll play at the Australian.
Yea but most GOAT conversations are heavily based on career achievements. All Rex is saying is that this year Rafa is playing possibly the best tennis of anyone, ever.
Posted on 9/14/10 at 9:32 am to PokerLawyer
In the lead post I specifically said "not the best career but the BEST PLAYER."
He's not old enough to have had the best career, and if it's ended tomorrow by an injury he will still have been the best player.
He's not old enough to have had the best career, and if it's ended tomorrow by an injury he will still have been the best player.
Posted on 9/14/10 at 9:33 am to Rex
Also to note, in 4 years this is the first time i have EVER agreed with Rex. 
Posted on 9/14/10 at 9:34 am to barry
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All Rex is saying is that this year Rafa is playing possibly the best tennis of anyone, ever.
That's an incredibly subjective argument, and one that's likely wrong according to any objective measures. The winning percentage linked at the top of this page is a better indicator than anything else.
Posted on 9/14/10 at 9:39 am to Rex
Bjorn Borg was the youngest to 9 grand slams.
Posted on 9/14/10 at 9:42 am to TulaneTigerFan
After thinking about this for a minute I don't even think this is one of Rafa's better years up until the USO. He didn't dominate at Wimbledon the way he has in the past, lost in the AO, lost most of the Masters series events he played in, and looked downright bad before the USO on hards. If you want to argue this isolated tournament could be one of the greatest stretches of play ever fine, but I think Rafa has sustained significantly better stretches of play before up until his hard court revolution about two weeks ago.
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