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re: Comparing Les to other great coaches.
Posted on 5/26/10 at 4:16 am to inebr8ted tiger
Posted on 5/26/10 at 4:16 am to inebr8ted tiger
quote:you left out coker
Saban:
The last 2 years the stars aligned for ole Nicky. If there was ever a time when the SEC was down (SEC standards) it's been the last 2 years. LSU, Auburn, Ole Miss, UGA, Tenn, USC. None of those schools have fielded teams in the last 2 years that was able to compete. Before LSU Nick Saban didn't win anything. Also Colt McCoy goes down in the first quarter or we may not be having any discussion. Everyone forgets that Utah waxed that arse 2 years ago in the Sugar Bowl.
Urban Meyer:
I think cUM is the best college coach in the ranks right now. He has 2 NC's in the last 4 years, and won the '06 NC with players that didn't fit into his style of coaching. I do think he is in for a melt-down this year though.
Pete Carroll:
Completely and utterly over-hyped. He has had the best talent in college football and played in one of the weakest conferences for 10 years and still couldn't win. He was smart to get out when he did because his house of cards was gonna come crumbling down and he knew it.
Bobby Stoops:
I have to say that I think Bobby has had some crappy luck over the last few years with inuries, blown calls by the ref's, and the alignment of the stars for Boise State. With that being said he's played in 3 NC's and lost 2 of them. Quite honestly he was man-handled in those 2 losses. Hell, I can't remember when they last won a bowl game.
Mack Brown:
Again, Mack has the pick of the litter as far as recruiting goes. He has 1 NC and lost in another NC game. He can't beat Okie, and his teams never field a defense. He has won a crap-load of games in the last 8 years, but only 2 Big 12 Championships and 1 NC.
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Posted on 5/26/10 at 6:12 am to the crue
quote:
you left out coker
also left out rich rodriguez mark richt and jeff tedford.
Can we play the season already so we can settle this once and for all?
Posted on 5/26/10 at 6:17 am to ironsides
In all fairness to Les Miles, he has plenty of time for redemption. Its too early preseason to compare Les Miles to other coaches, yet. Les still have some to grow.
Posted on 5/26/10 at 8:08 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Granted, but what if he doesn't? For the last two years he has made at least one major blunder - like Malveto in 2008, like failure to utilize and develop available talent and tolerating a 112th ranked offense and the Ole Miss debacle. Excuse me for being nervous, but what does 2010 hold?
Its too early preseason to compare Les Miles to other coaches, yet. Les still have some to grow.
Posted on 5/26/10 at 9:49 am to JawjaTigah
quote:
like Malveto in 2008
He realized his folly and fired him.
quote:
tolerating a 112th ranked offense
Where do you guys get this stuff. What makes you think he's tolerating it? The fact that he has vowed to return to a bruising style running team? Or the fact that he hired Billy Gonzales from Florida? Are able to read minds?
Posted on 5/26/10 at 9:54 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
In all fairness to Les Miles, he has plenty of time for redemption
For what?
2 west titles?
SEC title?
2 BCS bowl wins?
5 bowls in 5 yrs?
3 top 5 finishes in 5 yrs?
4 top 17 finishes in 5 yrs?
Having a top 20 finish in 2009?
Winning a NC 2 yrsa ago?
Having your support of Les is the same as having the fox support the hens.
Posted on 5/26/10 at 10:07 am to Tigerdandy
les has always made risky calls the year we won the national championship all the 4th downs against flordia and we won because of them. If he would have failed on any of those we would call him the dumbest coach and football like we did after ole miss. So with les you have to take the good with the bad and he lives by the risky play and he might die by the risky play if he gets fired this year.
Posted on 5/26/10 at 12:34 pm to ArmchairCoach1226
quote:
les has always made risky calls the year we won the national championship
That's called challenging your team and all the good ones do it.
Les Miles will not be fired this yr, but he will leave LSU in 2 yrs to go to Michigan.
Posted on 5/26/10 at 1:56 pm to Tigerdandy
quote:great so let's go 8-5, 9-4 for the next 10 years then. & let's keep going with the 112th ranked offense
2 west titles?
SEC title?
2 BCS bowl wins?
5 bowls in 5 yrs?
3 top 5 finishes in 5 yrs?
4 top 17 finishes in 5 yrs?
Having a top 20 finish in 2009?
Winning a NC 2 yrsa ago?
Posted on 5/26/10 at 2:29 pm to the crue
quote:
great so let's go 8-5, 9-4 for the next 10 years then. & let's keep going with the 112th ranked offense
seriously? this is the best you got? Do you honestly think Miles & Co. are satisfied with the last two years after what he accomplished the first 3? Think before you type.
Posted on 5/26/10 at 2:36 pm to Choctaw
quote:i didn't say miles was satisfied with the last 2 years, i was commenting on the poster saying he has nothing to prove because of what he did his 1st 3 years.
seriously? this is the best you got? Do you honestly think Miles & Co. are satisfied with the last two years after what he accomplished the first 3? Think before you type.
Posted on 5/26/10 at 2:40 pm to inebr8ted tiger
quote:
Everyone bitches about his play-calling, but I can remember only 1 situation where it didn't work out.
Posted on 5/26/10 at 2:46 pm to Maximus
TMNT>>>>>>>>Les Miles
Posted on 5/26/10 at 2:54 pm to inebr8ted tiger
quote:Hey, who's the "you guys" you're making into a straw man. I'm an LSU fan, if that's what you mean. And I'm a fan who is not so sure this CLM we've got is the wave of the future success of LSU. More like the wave of continuing breakdowns and mediocrity if the last two seasons are any indication of his ability to make significant changes when they are needed.
Where do you guys get this stuff. What makes you think he's tolerating it?
I am not impressed when he throws a whole season under the bus and goes 8-4 in order to wait for his pet "Malveto" twins to finish screwing up LSU's once proud defense. Too much like Dinardo/Tepper to suit my tastes.
Nor am I impressed by his handling of two years of admittedly unprepared or inexperienced QBs who showed no evidence of growing in their positions as the two seasons progressed.
I question his ability to influence his OC, Mr. Crowton, and the subsequent failure to utilize available offensive talent and design plays accordingly, coach receivers to catch the ball consistently, or come up with anything but the most predictable of LSU offensive plays time and again.
That preseason last summer CLM pronounced the LSU offensive line the best ever that he's ever seen or something like that hardly says much for his ability to evaluate or coach talent.
It's hardly worth remembering the UM clock management debacle, which all but repeated itself in the Cap-One Bowl game versus victorious Penn State. Yes, the field was crappy (for both teams).
Forgive me and others for not being blindly optimistic over the coming season or the new hires - Chavis and Gonzo. Chief has had one season to improve the defense (and has done a decent job - it couldn't have gotten much worse than the Malveto year), but we have yet to see what Gonzo-inspired changes to the 112th ranked offense we'll get. And we still have the lingering questions of Coach Stud and GC, both of whom CLM has opted to retain.
Yes LSU has the talent, but based on recent levels of underachievement, my expectations are down.
This post was edited on 5/26/10 at 2:56 pm
Posted on 5/26/10 at 3:02 pm to JawjaTigah
you seem to like the term "two years" alot. Seems to me that you're under the impression that we were a consistent 10 win team before Miles got here. What short memories some of us have.
Say your dream comes true and Miles is fired after this season. What happens if the next guy goes 8-4 and 9-3 with all the talent Miles recruited? Does he get fired after 2 years?
Say your dream comes true and Miles is fired after this season. What happens if the next guy goes 8-4 and 9-3 with all the talent Miles recruited? Does he get fired after 2 years?
This post was edited on 5/26/10 at 3:05 pm
Posted on 5/26/10 at 3:07 pm to Choctaw
quote:You seem to avoid the actual last two years' reality at LSU a lot. Didn't say anything about any 10-win seasons. That's your number. Some LSU teams finish 8-4 or 9-3, but get progressively better as the season unfolds. Some LSU teams go 8-4 or 9-3 but looks lost and confused the whole season long and do not improve consistently. The latter describes the last 2 years, which yes I point to as a basis for being concerned about season 2010. You might think about it some yourself.
you seem to like the term "two years" alot.
Posted on 5/26/10 at 3:11 pm to JawjaTigah
quote:
The latter describes the last 2 years, which yes I point to as a basis for being concerned about season 2010. You might think about it some yourself.
Actually...ive thought about it alot. And im smart enough to understand that not everything can be blamed on one person.....unlike the sheep on this board that blame Miles for everything because its the easy thing to do.
Blame Miles for everything, give him credit for nothing.
Posted on 5/26/10 at 3:13 pm to JawjaTigah
quote:
You seem to avoid the actual last two years' reality at LSU a lot.
ALL you talk about is the "Last 2 years". Do you suffer from ADD or ADHD? Or are you just just stupid? You said getting blown the frick out in 2002 didn't bother you as much as the "Last 2 years"...Hmm
Posted on 5/26/10 at 3:20 pm to Sammich
quote:Sammich and Choctaw, defenders of the current mediocrity. Fine. But to address your silly knee-jerk reaction to what I rightly pointed out in reference to the last 2 years, no the blowout in 2002 stunk, but LSU improved as the much of the season progressed. So I could look forward to better things - and sure enough season 2003 came. Remember that one? Or does that MNC not fit your anti-Saban profile?
You said getting blown the frick out in 2002 didn't bother you as much as the "Last 2 years"
BTW, if it had trended that way: 8-5 (5-3 SEC)for a couple of consecutive seasons then you can bet I'd have been just as concerned about that situation as I am about this one.
This post was edited on 5/26/10 at 3:26 pm
Posted on 5/26/10 at 3:46 pm to JawjaTigah
quote:
Sammich and Choctaw, defenders of the current mediocrity.
#17 Mediocre 25? Link it..
quote:You aren't very familiar with LSU football are you? Especially much or anythinganything past "The last two Years"?
rightly pointed out in reference to the last 2 years, no the blowout in 2002 stunk, but LSU improved as the much of the season progressed. So I could look forward to better things
"The Blowout"...Which One? 8-26 VT, 0-31 Bama or 7-31 Auburn? Whith the Bluegrass Miracle between Auburn & Bama & Auburn. "Progress"....do you believe the Miracle at Kentucky was real progression?? Then we move on to get completely Humiliated in the CARTOON Bowl, which "SABAN SUCK 2002" didn't belong in, Skip got us in, against frickin' Mack Brown, former TULANE Coach. OH HELL YEAH!! That's some frickin' progress!! Did I forget to mention Arkansas driving 81 yards in 40 fricking seconds for a nice last second....but oh so typical Saban Fail??
Could you tell me at what point in 2002 you saw "Progress?"
Also, Saban Fail 2002's Recruiting class is ranked the Worst of the entire DECADE.
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