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Wild assed ideas re: stopping leak

Posted on 5/13/10 at 9:41 pm
Posted by udtiger
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Posted on 5/13/10 at 9:41 pm
I readily accept that any or all of these will be quickly shot down, but I thought I'd trot them out for comment...

1) If there is sufficient fuel and flow, a flame can maintain itself underwater (see, underwater welding)...is there any way to ignite the well at the source, so that it consumes the oil as it comes out of the pipe?

2) Could the well be collapsed/closed with an explosive device?
Posted by oilfieldtiger
Pittsburgh, PA
Member since Dec 2003
2904 posts
Posted on 5/13/10 at 9:44 pm to
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2) Could the well be collapsed/closed with an explosive device?

no. you would blow the wellhead off, and it would end up probably worse off.

if BP asked me, i would try and get the hydrates to work in my favor by trying to initiate them within the BOP stack. Maybe try and introduce freshwater from a hotstab as low as possible on the stack.

and keep hammering down that relief well.
Posted by Oyster
North Shore
Member since Feb 2009
10224 posts
Posted on 5/13/10 at 9:53 pm to
quote:

if BP asked me, i would try and get the hydrates to work in my favor by trying to initiate them within the BOP stack. Maybe try and introduce freshwater from a hotstab as low as possible on the stack.


I was thinking the same thing. Seems so simple. Hell if you can freeze up the big cofferdam with seawater think what fresh water would do to the well. Instead of a junk shot just a fresh water shot. If it starts thawing just pump a little more water in.
Posted by back9Tiger
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Member since Nov 2005
17593 posts
Posted on 5/13/10 at 10:32 pm to
Yeah blowing it up might open up more leaks and exacorbate the problem. Oil can leak through very small cracks.
Posted by CamdenTiger
Member since Aug 2009
65123 posts
Posted on 5/13/10 at 10:46 pm to
Women need to show more cleavage,damnit! That would create earthquakes that might just seal this thing up..... Just as sound as any other idea, so far.
Posted by MoreOrLes
Member since Nov 2008
19472 posts
Posted on 5/13/10 at 10:54 pm to
Heres mine
Its based on a how you put air into a basketball.

The pipe is 24" in diameter. Have made a long barbed (Ihave no idea how long) piece of rubber that has a 12" hole it in it. Insert it into the pipe. Next place a roughly 12"diameter needle with a male thread on the flowing end. The needle would also have to have a barbed end. Crimp pipe to ensure against the "apparatus" coming out. Connect pipe/gauges/valves/. The valve may not be able to be choked off completely due to back pressure but connecting all of this seems like work an ROV could do.

I am not engineer and I'm sure there are many variables to consider but thats my concept.

Posted by halleburton
Member since Dec 2009
1599 posts
Posted on 5/13/10 at 11:36 pm to
how about a heavy duty inflatable pipe plug? would conform to the ID of the misshapen pipe. they make these things capable of withstanding thousands of PSI, don't see why it wouldn't work.
Posted by jeffsdad
Member since Mar 2007
24068 posts
Posted on 5/14/10 at 5:19 am to
how about blowing it up not at the surface, but deep underground, like 3000 feet? it would take drilling a parallel hole.
Posted by back9Tiger
Island Coconut Salesman
Member since Nov 2005
17593 posts
Posted on 5/15/10 at 6:55 pm to
Yeah blowing it up might open up more leaks and exacorbate the problem. Oil can leak through very small cracks.
Posted by GM4UA
Mobile, AL
Member since Nov 2008
268 posts
Posted on 5/15/10 at 8:20 pm to
Why can't they weld a flange on it, bolt an open valve to it and then close it off? Can they rig those ROVs for deep-sea welding? It would take some skill but what's another week.

Of course it might blow something up.
This post was edited on 5/15/10 at 8:29 pm
Posted by ibldpg
south
Member since Dec 2009
2503 posts
Posted on 5/15/10 at 9:14 pm to
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Of course it might blow something up


i was beginning to wonder if you were mentally insane before i ran across this statement @ the end
Posted by JWS3
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2008
2502 posts
Posted on 5/16/10 at 1:25 am to
Fabricate a three section circular clamp that will fit around the 22" riser pipe. Having the clamp in sections will allow it to be placed around the riser behind the open end eliminating having to fight the high pressure flow coming out of the pipe. The clamp will use three hydryluic actuators powered from the ROVs to pull the clamp sections together tightly around the riser. Having three sections will allow the clamp to adapt to the shape of the deformed riser pipe . Once in place it will serve as an anchor point for pulling a tapered plug into the end of the riser pipe to cap off most of the flow. The plug would be fitted with 4- 6 guide cables, each long enough to allow positioning of the plug away from the high pressure flow during the setup phase. The guide cables would be attached to hydraluic powered winches that are anchored to the previously attach pipe clamp. The winches will slowly haul the plug into the end of the riser, cutting off most of the flow. The tapered plug could be fabricated from steel, and wrapped with some type of pliable material to effect the best possible seal.
Posted by shaminator
Louisiana
Member since Jan 2008
69 posts
Posted on 5/16/10 at 2:16 am to
How about not stopping the leak. Instead, lets figure out a way to retrieve the oil so we may sell it at $100 per barrel. BP

Watching this circus act is make me sick.
Posted by bluecat
Lafayette
Member since Dec 2008
8 posts
Posted on 5/16/10 at 5:22 am to
Riser is not high pressure pipe ,so you can shut off the well flow there. That is why the BOP stacks on deepwater rigs are subsea. The riser is just used as a way to get the mud, etc back to surface.
Posted by oilfieldtiger
Pittsburgh, PA
Member since Dec 2003
2904 posts
Posted on 5/16/10 at 8:53 am to
quote:

Riser is not high pressure pipe

to build on this point -- the riser can hold ~4000 psi of differential burst pressure. if this well is successfully shut in at the mudline, and there is oil from the mudline all the way down to the formation, there will be ~10,000 psi of pressure at the mudline. Seawater will exert 2200 psi, so you would have a differential pressure far in excess of what the riser can hold.
Posted by supatigah
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Member since Mar 2004
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Posted on 5/16/10 at 10:51 am to
Exactly

which is why they have been working so hard on the extraction methods
Posted by oilfieldtiger
Pittsburgh, PA
Member since Dec 2003
2904 posts
Posted on 5/16/10 at 11:20 am to
roger that.

to execute a shut in of the well has to be done from the BOP stack down. containment, recovery, whatever is conducted from the BOP stack up.
Posted by real
Dixieland
Member since Oct 2007
14027 posts
Posted on 5/16/10 at 11:25 am to
How about inserting a rubber fitting (the kind you insert into a drain pipe.) Then have a hose running to it and after the little hose is inserted into pipe. Turn on a flow of water thru a hose to the rubber nozzel. That makes in enlarge and becomes like a seal. Some on here know what im talking about. I cant think of what its called. You can get a small one for your pipes at home. U screw it on your hose and run it into your pipe and when you turn water on it enlarges into a ball.
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