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re: 2011 Scout #1 Player "Black Mamba"
Posted on 2/9/10 at 8:04 pm to LSUTANGERINE
Posted on 2/9/10 at 8:04 pm to LSUTANGERINE
I would take Hilliard at Rb for our system over him but Thomas will be rated so high because of versatility and speed.Hilliard doesn't have elite speed and that will hurt his ranking no matter how good a back he is.All LSU ans Louisiana fans are going to have to curb your expectations of where our guys will be ranked.
Hilliard/Hill-Way too many good rbs to get expectations too high with the rankings.We can disagree(and will)but this is one of the best(maybe the best)group of rbs the recruiting sites have ever seen.
Landry/Lewis/Sylve-Again a lot of very good recievers out there.I still believe that landry is the #1 wr out there and until someone outshines him I will believe that.Lewis will be hurt by the system in high school.Sylve could suprise us all.His speed will excite scouts.
Collins-He will be one of the few guys that actually gets the ranking we all think he deserves
Rasco-I personally think he might be rated too high but everyone has their own opinions of him.He will be the subject of a lot of debate this year I suspect.
Johnson/other dts-Johnson will get all kinds of respect.He's too good to not get it.There are a lot of top flight dts across the country so don't be suprised if he falls compared to what we believe.
Magee/Beckham/others-Very deep and strong year nationally so don't get too upset if they aren't highly ranked like we think some should be.
We also have to take into account that Louisiana,even with the national prominence this year,is usually very underscouted by the recruiting services.
Hilliard/Hill-Way too many good rbs to get expectations too high with the rankings.We can disagree(and will)but this is one of the best(maybe the best)group of rbs the recruiting sites have ever seen.
Landry/Lewis/Sylve-Again a lot of very good recievers out there.I still believe that landry is the #1 wr out there and until someone outshines him I will believe that.Lewis will be hurt by the system in high school.Sylve could suprise us all.His speed will excite scouts.
Collins-He will be one of the few guys that actually gets the ranking we all think he deserves
Rasco-I personally think he might be rated too high but everyone has their own opinions of him.He will be the subject of a lot of debate this year I suspect.
Johnson/other dts-Johnson will get all kinds of respect.He's too good to not get it.There are a lot of top flight dts across the country so don't be suprised if he falls compared to what we believe.
Magee/Beckham/others-Very deep and strong year nationally so don't get too upset if they aren't highly ranked like we think some should be.
We also have to take into account that Louisiana,even with the national prominence this year,is usually very underscouted by the recruiting services.
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Posted on 2/9/10 at 9:24 pm to lsufanva
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I still believe that landry is the #1 wr out there
This is an extremely loaded year at WR, so there is going to be a lot of difference in opinions on this one.
I really like-- and I am not trying to be a homer here-- George Farmer. I have been following him for the past two years.
He is up to 6'3", 210 and reportedly ran an electronic 4.38 sometime last fall. The fact that he also shared receiver duties with 5* WR Robert Woods last year makes him an ideal fit for the USC O.
I would also take Bradley Sylve, Charone Peak and Kasen Williams over Landry. They are more physical with speed. LSU's offense favors bigger, athletic WRs, so the aforementioned would be better targets for LSU too.
Landry is slight, and to me doesn't have the bodyframe to pack on a lot more weight. Of course you don't turn away a talent like Landry, but the coaching staff is going to have to tailor certain plays to his assets unless he fills out (which I doubt at this point). If he doesn't produce, well then could find himself out of the WR rotation quickly.
I really like Sylve. He has the body type-- he can and will add good weight--along with his explosiveness. He seems like a better fit for Crowton's playbook.
Posted on 2/9/10 at 9:32 pm to Trojan Ace
Landry is one of the most physical WR I've ever seen,in High School. He won't be ranked as high as some because of his straght-line speed(40) and height,but this guy defines Physical.
Posted on 2/10/10 at 12:44 am to CamdenTiger
Trojan,you are a very good poster and I generally like your views but you are missing this one.There hasn't been a reciever at any camp that has upstaged landry and that includes your guy Ambles.His frame is thin but he is aggressive and has tremendous strength for a guy his size.He also runs good routes,has good hands and is explosive after catching the ball.He doesn't have top end speed but that's an overrated asset.Short are quickness is much more important for skill players.He doesn't need to beat people deep with speed to be a great reciever.We will sign Sylve to beat people deep and Landry will open that up for him.I like Farmer a lot and think he's great and also think he will be rated the top wr in the class but i would take Landry over him.Measurables can't decipher the pure football skills and heart/desire to be great that Landry has.
Posted on 2/10/10 at 12:51 am to lsufanva
Peake is very good and has all the skills you mentioned,Sylve will not get ant bad talk from me but I don't think he will put on much more weight.Kasen Williams is different.He is a great possession reciever but his speed is very overstated.I would venture to say that he probably isn't any faster than Landry.He is also not as tall as some have him listed.jake Heaps ans some scouts have said that he's only slightly over 6'1.He is good but i question what he would look like outside that system.Sammy Watkins is the guy that has it all.Only about 6'0/6'1 but has that speed and explosiveness.Our offense hasn't shown the ability to use a wr of landry skill because we haven't had one.Reed was the last one with Doucet being somewhat similar but not the same kind of improvisor after the catch that landry is.We've been searching for that perfect slot for years now and Landry is that guy.We'll use him right.
Posted on 2/10/10 at 1:38 am to lsufanva
A thing you all should take into account is the team teh Black Mamba is playing against fields at least 6-10 "FBS" calibur players.
This post was edited on 2/10/10 at 1:39 am
Posted on 2/10/10 at 1:44 am to Trojan Ace
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I would also take Bradley Sylve, Charone Peak and Kasen Williams over Landry. They are more physical with speed.
Hopefully, more people will believe this. Landry is overrated. Other schools would be wise to look elsewhere.
Posted on 2/10/10 at 7:03 am to lsufanva
Thanks lsufanva-- I enjoy your posts too.
I think you are missing my point.
I am not talking about Landry being physical enough. I am talking about him having the size and durability to be a featured WR in LSU's system-- someone who is going to put up 40+ catches a year. He is going to get jammed, mercilessly, by CBs that are bigger, stronger and faster than any he has faced in HS. He is going to have Safety help coming over the top that will get there a lot faster than in HS. Unless they play him exclusively in the slot running slants, he is going to have to be more than just physical. An LSU WR is usually bigger, and use their bodies extremely well to shield between the ball and defender, as Crowton likes to iso his WRs. Landry does not have the frame to get bigger-- the dude has a slight build-- and because of that I question if he fits into the current LSU WR rotation. This is why I said that unless they are going to design a cadre of plays just for Landry or have a role outside of a typical LSU FL/WR, imo he won't hold up too well.
As I said in my previous post, there is especially little separating WR #1 from WR #10 in terms of talent. It's WR type that is going to be more of a differentiator for the 2011 class.
I think you are missing my point.
I am not talking about Landry being physical enough. I am talking about him having the size and durability to be a featured WR in LSU's system-- someone who is going to put up 40+ catches a year. He is going to get jammed, mercilessly, by CBs that are bigger, stronger and faster than any he has faced in HS. He is going to have Safety help coming over the top that will get there a lot faster than in HS. Unless they play him exclusively in the slot running slants, he is going to have to be more than just physical. An LSU WR is usually bigger, and use their bodies extremely well to shield between the ball and defender, as Crowton likes to iso his WRs. Landry does not have the frame to get bigger-- the dude has a slight build-- and because of that I question if he fits into the current LSU WR rotation. This is why I said that unless they are going to design a cadre of plays just for Landry or have a role outside of a typical LSU FL/WR, imo he won't hold up too well.
As I said in my previous post, there is especially little separating WR #1 from WR #10 in terms of talent. It's WR type that is going to be more of a differentiator for the 2011 class.
Posted on 2/10/10 at 11:45 am to Trojan Ace
Trojan,I understand your point.I think a lot of the perception(recruits think we only like big recievers too)is because we haven't had a guy step up in that role since Crowton has been here.I agree about Crowton's offense but I think Gonzales will bring new ideas pertaining the spread that is so popular around the country.I doubt we'll ever go to a full spread offense but I think we are beginning to(I think Crowton wants to)move more that way towards a spread influenced offense.Miles will never let it become an all out spread but if Gonzales is allowed the power that we all assume he has been given then our offense will look somewhat different.I agree with you that if we try to use him like Lafell,Toliver and Randle then he will not be as effective as he could be.We'll hopefully get a preview of what he will be used like with Shepard this year.It would certainly be wise to show Landry something similar to waht we want him to be.
Posted on 2/10/10 at 11:54 am to CamdenTiger
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Landry is one of the most physical WR I've ever seen,in High School. He won't be ranked as high as some because of his straght-line speed(40) and height,but this guy defines Physical.
I strongly agree and was shocked to hear someone say that he's not physical in any way whatsoever.
Posted on 2/10/10 at 12:19 pm to OUandLSUfan
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A thing you all should take into account is the team teh Black Mamba is playing against fields at least 6-10 "FBS" calibur players.
And it is a soaking wet field. This kid is the real deal and played the entire playoffs with a bum ankle.
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