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Anyone in OUST?

Posted on 4/15/26 at 8:54 pm
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 4/15/26 at 8:54 pm
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
24411 posts
Posted on 4/15/26 at 9:13 pm to
LIDAR seems super important and it appears that the TAM will continue to grow.
I’m also reading where OUST is the best non Asian option for competition in this space, which in my mind could make it a strategic asset.

I. THE FUNDAMENTAL TECHNOLOGY
LIDAR, which stands for Light Detection and Ranging, is a remote sensing method that uses light in the form of a pulsed laser to measure ranges or variable distances to the Earth. It acts as the eyes for autonomous systems, allowing machines to perceive the world in three dimensions with extreme precision.

II. THE MECHANICAL PROCESS: HOW IT WORKS
The operation of a lidar system follows a four-step cycle that happens thousands of times per second:
1. EMISSION: The system emits a rapid laser pulse (usually in the infrared spectrum) toward a target.
2. REFLECTION: The light hits an object—whether it is a car, a tree, or a pedestrian—and bounces back.
3. DETECTION: A sensor on the lidar unit detects the returning light pulse.
4. CALCULATION: The system measures the time it took for the light to travel to the object and back. Since the speed of light is a known constant, the device can calculate the exact distance using the formula:

III. DATA OUTPUT: THE POINT CLOUD
Unlike a standard camera that produces a flat 2D image, lidar produces a 3D "Point Cloud." This is a dense collection of millions of individual data points that represent the exterior surface of every object the laser hits.
Because lidar provides its own light source, it is unaffected by ambient lighting conditions. It works with the same level of accuracy in pitch-black darkness as it does in bright sunlight, which is a significant advantage over camera-based vision systems.

IV. CORE COMPONENTS OF A LIDAR SYSTEM
A standard lidar unit consists of four primary sub-systems:
1. THE LASER: Typically 600 to 1000 nanometer lasers for non-automotive use, or 1550 nanometer lasers for long-range automotive applications to ensure eye safety.
2. SCANNER AND OPTICS: Mirrors or rotating assemblies that sweep the laser across the field of view to create a wide perspective.
3. PHOTODETECTOR: A highly sensitive silicon component that "catches" the returning photons.
4. POSITIONING SYSTEMS: For mobile lidar (like those on planes or cars), the system integrates Global Positioning Systems (GPS) and Inertial Measurement Units (IMU) to determine exactly where the unit is in space at the moment of each pulse.

V. PRIMARY APPLICATIONS IN 2026
Lidar technology has moved far beyond experimental labs and is now integrated into several major industries:
1. AUTONOMOUS VEHICLES: Used for obstacle detection and collision avoidance. It provides the "spatial envelope" that allows a self-driving car to know exactly how many centimeters it is from a curb or another vehicle.
2. INDUSTRIAL AUTOMATION: In warehouses, automated mobile robots (AMRs) use lidar to navigate around human workers and moving forklifts without the need for magnetic floor strips.
3. SMART INFRASTRUCTURE: Cities use lidar mounted on traffic lights to monitor pedestrian flow and vehicle speeds to optimize traffic patterns in real-time.
4. TOPOGRAPHIC MAPPING: Mounted on drones or aircraft, lidar can "see" through dense forest canopies to map the actual ground surface, making it invaluable for archaeology and flood modeling.

VI. TYPES OF LIDAR ARCHITECTURE
1. MECHANICAL SPINNING LIDAR: The classic "bucket" on top of a car that physically rotates to see 360 degrees.
2. SOLID-STATE LIDAR: These have no moving parts. They are more durable, smaller, and cheaper to produce, making them the preferred choice for mass-market consumer vehicles and smartphones.
3. DIGITAL LIDAR: As seen with companies like Ouster, this architecture puts the entire sensing array onto a single silicon CMOS chip, similar to how digital cameras replaced film.
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
24411 posts
Posted on 4/15/26 at 9:14 pm to
I. THE LANDSCAPE OF GLOBAL LEADERSHIP
As of April 2026, the lidar industry has moved past the "startup phase" into a period of aggressive market consolidation. The industry is currently split into three distinct tiers based on market share, profitability, and vertical focus.

II. TIER 1: THE VOLUME GIANTS (CHINESE DOMINANCE)
China currently leads the world in both production volume and early profitability, primarily due to their deep integration with the domestic electric vehicle (EV) market.
1. HESAI TECHNOLOGY (HSAI)
* MARKET STATUS: The global leader in long-range automotive lidar.
* 2025 PERFORMANCE: Achieved an industry-first full-year GAAP net income of 62 million dollars.
* KEY METRIC: Holds over 40 percent of the long-range automotive market share and tripled its shipments in 2025 to over 1.6 million units.
* STRATEGIC EDGE: Their primary partnership with NVIDIA for the Drive Hyperion 10 platform secures their place as the default sensor for many global autonomous driving stacks.
2. ROBOSENSE (2498.HK)
* MARKET STATUS: The leader in robotics-specific lidar.
* 2025 PERFORMANCE: Achieved its first-ever quarterly net profit in Q4 2025.
* KEY METRIC: Shipped over 300,000 units specifically for the robotics sector in 2025, claiming the number one global position in that niche.
* STRATEGIC EDGE: Dominates the "unmanned delivery" and "robotic lawnmower" sectors, with over 90 percent coverage of leading customers in delivery bots.

III. TIER 2: WESTERN STRATEGIC CONTENDERS
While Western companies generally have lower shipment volumes than their Chinese counterparts, they focus on high-performance "Long-Range" and "Software-First" solutions.
1. OUSTER (OUST)
* MARKET STATUS: The leader in digital lidar architecture for industrial and infrastructure applications.

* STRATEGIC EDGE: Following the Velodyne merger, Ouster has focused on high-margin industrial sales rather than low-margin automotive volume. Their digital chip approach allows them to improve performance without adding mechanical complexity.
* OUTLOOK: They are the primary Western alternative for companies seeking to avoid Chinese supply chain dependencies.
2. LUMINAR TECHNOLOGIES (LAZR)
* MARKET STATUS: The premium automotive specialist.
* STRATEGIC EDGE: Luminar focuses on "Iris" and "Halo" sensors that are integrated into the rooflines of high-end consumer vehicles like Volvo and Polestar.
* CURRENT CHALLENGE: While technically advanced, Luminar continues to face high cash burn compared to the profitable Chinese firms, with 2025 earnings showing a net loss despite revenue growth.

IV. TIER 3: LEGACY AUTOMOTIVE TIER-1 SUPPLIERS
These are established automotive giants that have integrated lidar into their broader ADAS (Advanced Driver Assistance Systems) portfolios.
1. VALEO: A French giant that was among the first to put lidar into mass-production vehicles (Audi). They remain a top-five player by revenue.
2. CONTINENTAL: Focuses on "Short-Range" flash lidar for urban safety and parking features.
3. SICK AG AND HOKUYO: These companies dominate the "Industrial Safety" lidar market (factory floor sensors) rather than the "Autonomous Vehicle" market.
V. SUMMARY OF LEADERSHIP BY SECTOR
* ADAS AND LONG-RANGE AUTOMOTIVE: Hesai Technology.
* ROBOTICS AND LOGISTICS: RoboSense.
* INDUSTRIAL AND SMART CITIES: Ouster.
* HIGH-END LUXURY PASSENGER VEHICLES: Luminar Technologies.

VI. THE INVESTOR'S PERSPECTIVE ON LEADERSHIP
The industry is currently experiencing a "flight to quality." In 2024 and 2025, several smaller lidar companies went bankrupt or were acquired. The "Leaders" listed above are those that have either achieved profitability (Hesai, RoboSense) or have secured enough multi-year OEM contracts to ensure their survival into the next decade. For an investor, the primary question is whether to bet on the high-volume, profitable Chinese firms or the strategically vital but financially strained Western alternatives.
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
24411 posts
Posted on 4/15/26 at 10:02 pm to
From Reddit:
$OUST – The Nvidia of Lidar? My 10x thesis

Hey everyone,

I know Lidar has become a capital graveyard and plenty of people got burned on stocks like $LAZR, but if you haven't been tracking Ouster ($OUST) over the last few weeks, you’re seriously missing out on what is probably the most successful pivot in the entire sector.

Looking at their Q4 2025 results, things are getting very interesting. They reported a net profit of $4 million for the first time. Now, let’s be real – most of that came from a one-time $21 million licensing payment – but that’s exactly the point. It proves just how much their IP and those 800+ patents are actually worth. While the competition is bleeding cash on every sensor they ship, Ouster has gross margins that spiked to 60% in some segments. They’ve got over $200 million in cash and zero debt, which gives them a massive runway for the next few years.

What really sets Ouster apart is their digital architecture. Most lidars are analog systems—complicated to build and expensive to scale. Ouster turned that into "Lidar-on-a-Chip." They use just two chips, meaning as silicon scales, their costs drop while resolution goes up. It’s Moore’s Law in practice. On top of that, the Stereolabs acquisition from February was a genius move. They aren't just selling sensors anymore; they’re selling a whole platform that merges Lidar, cameras, and AI. This is literally the brain for every autonomous forklift or smart intersection.

That’s where the 10x growth potential comes in. Investors hate hardware, but they love software subscriptions. The Ouster Gemini platform is growing at a crazy rate. They sell the hardware once, and then cities and warehouses pay a monthly subscription for AI analytics. We're talking 80% margins here, and that’s what will launch the stock once the market realizes this isn't just a company that assembles boxes.

Of course, it’s not without risk. Chinese players like Hesai are trying to dump prices, and there’s always Tesla with their lidar-free approach. But Ouster is smart – they’re focusing on Western infrastructure and robotics where the Chinese are facing bans and where Tesla doesn't even play.

With a current valuation around $1.4 billion, I think a path to $10-15 billion by 2030 is genuinely realistic if they become the standard for autonomous infrastructure. Even if someone like Nvidia or Qualcomm decides to scoop them up just for the patents, the premium will be huge.

Disclaimer: I’m not a financial advisor. I just follow the numbers and I’m long $OUST.
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
24411 posts
Posted on 4/15/26 at 10:04 pm to
Someone said, “did you miss the SaaS sell off?”

This was Gemini’s (Google AI) response to that question:

I. THE PHYSICAL AI DIFFERENTIATOR
While traditional SaaS (Software as a Service) is currently facing a valuation reset due to the SaaS-pocalypse of early 2026, Ouster has pivoted toward a model termed Physical AI. Unlike horizontal SaaS companies that sell per-seat licenses for digital workflows, Ouster provides the integrated sensing and perception required for machines to interact with the real world. This approach decouples them from the current software sell-off because their value is tied to mission-critical physical infrastructure rather than replaceable office productivity tools.

II. THE HARDWARE-SOFTWARE MOAT
Ouster’s primary competitive advantage lies in vertical integration. By controlling both the sensor (Digital Lidar and Stereolabs cameras) and the perception software (Gemini and BlueCity), they create a performance ceiling that hardware-agnostic software cannot reach.
* Zero-Latency Integration: The recent launch of the ZED X Nano in April 2026 highlights this. It uses a zero-copy pipeline that sends data directly from the sensor to the GPU. This eliminates the CPU bottlenecks that plague generic software stacks, making it the preferred choice for high-speed robotic manipulation.
* Proprietary Neural Engines: Stereolabs’ Neural Depth Engine provides sub-millimeter accuracy that is specifically tuned to Ouster’s hardware. A competitor cannot simply buy the software and run it on a cheap sensor with the same results.
* Edge Compute Dominance: Unlike cloud-reliant SaaS, Ouster’s software runs on the edge (ZED Box). For a robot or an autonomous vehicle, cloud latency is a safety risk; Ouster’s ability to process AI at the source creates a massive barrier to entry.

III. THE ECOSYSTEM AND SWITCHING COSTS
The company has successfully moved from being a component vendor to a platform provider. This creates a high-friction environment for competitors attempting to unseat them.
* Infrastructure Footprint: With over 1,200 sites running Gemini and BlueCity software, Ouster has embedded itself into municipal and industrial budgets. Once a city has calibrated its traffic signal actuation and near-miss detection using Ouster’s digital twins, the cost of switching to a different sensing modality is prohibitively high.
* Developer Community: Through the Stereolabs acquisition, Ouster inherited a community of over 10,000 customers and nearly 100,000 ZED camera users. This creates a network effect where the most advanced Physical AI models are being trained on Ouster-compatible data.

IV. DATA AS THE ULTIMATE DEFENSE
In the 2026 market, data is the only enduring moat. Ouster’s software suites are essentially massive data-collection engines for the physical world. By controlling the digital record of how a warehouse operates or how an intersection flows, they own the training data for the next generation of autonomous agents. This makes their software an essential part of the industrial AI stack, rather than just another subscription service.
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
24411 posts
Posted on 4/15/26 at 10:21 pm to
Posted by mjfrog93
Member since Aug 2018
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Posted on 4/16/26 at 1:30 am to
That sounds great! But there's one I'm just not sure about is: if bayoubengals88 likes him some OUST?
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
33298 posts
Posted on 4/16/26 at 5:56 am to
I tried playing OUST twice now with mixed results. I still like the idea of the company, but it trades wildly. The long term story makes sense though

I wish people would stop comparing everything to NVDA though
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
24411 posts
Posted on 4/16/26 at 6:08 am to
quote:

I still like the idea of the company, but it trades wildly. The long term story makes sense though
I’ve got no problem with volatility if the thesis makes sense.
I think they could be profitable soon.
I like the cash on hand, growing revenue, the tech, the applications, the strategic asset.

They are clearly the leader in the West now as many LIDAR companies have failed. OUST even bought one of them.

Here we are five years after de spac and they are looking healthier than ever with a large market in front of them. Yet they are down 75% all time.

It seems like the time to strike.
I’m in.
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
33298 posts
Posted on 4/16/26 at 6:36 am to
I’ll probably add it back with you. Not a full amount, I’ll wait and see if it goes lower to add more
Posted by ATLsuTiger
Johns Creek
Member since Aug 2009
5742 posts
Posted on 4/16/26 at 8:20 am to
The one problem with OUST is they are targeting non automotive verticals. The winner of western LiDAR will have to dominate auto OEMs.

MVIS is the better bet. Spinning LiDAR is not the future of LiDAR. It will be FMCW and photonic based.

Buying MVIS today will be like buying OUST 3 years ago. Only MVIS has better connections to the auto industry and better assets after acquiring LAZR, Scantinel, and Ibeo.
This post was edited on 4/16/26 at 8:31 am
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
24411 posts
Posted on 4/16/26 at 8:30 am to
quote:

MVIS is the better bet.

Given the P/S of 171,
total revenue of less than 2 million,
and -1800% gross margins,

I'm not convinced.

Given the trajectory of the companies, and what the market is telling us through stock price, I'd prefer OUST:

MVIS:


OUST:
Posted by ATLsuTiger
Johns Creek
Member since Aug 2009
5742 posts
Posted on 4/16/26 at 8:34 am to
Oust merged with Velodyne and that is why they have the head start. It’s basically been the only option. MVIS is about to start announcing deals this year. Movia S will start eating into OUST market share next year.

They are currently talking with:
Caterpillar
Nissan
Volvo
Mercedes
This post was edited on 4/16/26 at 8:36 am
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
24411 posts
Posted on 4/16/26 at 9:43 am to
I'm not seeing this as a negative for OUST. It's a large and expanding market, and it's solidifying their path to profitability.
I understand that MVIS owns some critical technology, but we've got to see that translate to revenue, and quickly.

The two companies are currently playing different games:

OUSTER:
Focused on "Physical AI" and immediate commercialization. Their merger with Velodyne and acquisition of Stereolabs has made them the go-to provider for non-automotive applications like warehouse automation and smart cities. They are prioritizing a path to profitability over speculative R&D.

MICROVISION:
Acting as an industry consolidator. By picking up the pieces of Luminar and Scantinel, they are betting that they can succeed where others failed by being more capital-efficient. Their strategy relies on winning "high-volume" automotive RFQs that haven't fully materialized for them yet.
This post was edited on 4/16/26 at 9:57 am
Posted by ATLsuTiger
Johns Creek
Member since Aug 2009
5742 posts
Posted on 4/16/26 at 9:57 am to
MicroVision is also targeting non-automotive markets too and security and defense. There is also an augmented reality display component to MVIS that Anduril is playing with after acquiring IVAS from Microsoft.

The market caps are the only thing I'm looking at. One is fairly valued. The other is still waiting for validation. I always lean towards the more speculative play. I can see both succeeding though for nice gains. Good luck!
This post was edited on 4/16/26 at 9:58 am
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
24411 posts
Posted on 4/16/26 at 10:13 am to
quote:

I always lean towards the more speculative play.
And you've done quite well with them.
Thanks for putting it on my radar and getting into some of the details
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