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Riddle me this - Overdrawing the ball

Posted on 11/7/25 at 5:45 am
Posted by TaderSalad
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Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 11/7/25 at 5:45 am
I have two sets of irons. Both have stiff flex shafts that are comparable (one is 5 grams lighter but a little longer). Both shafts comp each other in terms of bend profile. Both shafts have standard sized Golf Pride grips.

One set is in a set of Srixon ZXi4 (more offset) irons and the other is in a set of Mizuno MP225 (less offset). I'll hit shots switching irons between every 2 or 3 balls and the MP225 gives me about 10-20 yard draw throughout the bag. Srixons on the other hand start right and end right but fly with less curvature despite more offset.

Help this make sense to me.
Posted by CoachChappy
Member since May 2013
34100 posts
Posted on 11/7/25 at 5:58 am to
That ZXi4 is more forgiving.

Posted by TaderSalad
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Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 11/7/25 at 6:00 am to
I'm under the impression that forgiveness is a distance metric, no? Both irons carry similar distances. I can draw the Srixon with ease as well but I can also just hit it straight.
This post was edited on 11/7/25 at 6:01 am
Posted by CoachChappy
Member since May 2013
34100 posts
Posted on 11/7/25 at 6:09 am to
I had the Z565s or 545s I can’t remember. I started hooking them hard.

When I got my 699 pros (think P790s) first swing out the bag, I thought I had hooked one in the water. It was so bad, I stopped watching and started cursing. My ball was on the left side of the green.

It’s a more forgiving club. I have learned to work them left, but they want to go straight. Give me a forged irons and I’ll sling that thing as far right as you want.
This post was edited on 11/7/25 at 12:12 pm
Posted by dpd901
South Louisiana
Member since Apr 2011
7882 posts
Posted on 11/7/25 at 7:25 am to
Lie angle could be more upright on the Zunos. My last set of JPXs were too upright for me an I hooked them. Had the lie adjusted flatter and it straightened me right out. Still my favorite set that I ever owned.
Could be more heel weighted as well,

Just spitballing…
Posted by BigNastyTiger417
Member since Nov 2021
5237 posts
Posted on 11/15/25 at 4:33 am to
Forgiveness is also a dispersion metric (ball going left/right)

Example: a new golfer playing game improvement (forgiving) clubs will hit the ball farther & slice/hook the ball less than if they were playing a “players” club
Posted by Remnant
Member since Oct 2025
10 posts
Posted on 11/15/25 at 8:43 am to
Always a good idea to check lie and loft, they can have an effect on how shots behave. If you are getting too much of a hook or draw tendency in your shots, it is likely your swing path and timing that are the issue.

Lay down some training sticks and take a video of your swing on your cell phone. Is your left side clearing too soon? Are you losing your lag at impact too soon? Is your follow-through ending up over your left shoulder (assuming you are right handed) when it should end up next to your left ear.

Try this... stick a tee all the way down in the ground about 8 inches behind the ball, do the same about 8 inches in front. When swinging make sure the club head goes back over the tee, on the downswing over that tee again, and then continues over the tee in front. This will help time your left side better.
Posted by TaderSalad
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Member since Jul 2014
26008 posts
Posted on 11/15/25 at 3:21 pm to
I think it was my grip. I had gravitated to a strong left hand (righty) and I hit a few where I could only see two nuckles and ball went dead straight although a bit shorter. Gotta find that happy tweener of 5-10yard draw with distance
Posted by SECSolomonGrundy
Slaughter Swamp
Member since Jun 2012
18090 posts
Posted on 11/16/25 at 2:48 am to
Thr overdrawing might be from the clubface angle being slighlty diffrent between sets.

That overdraw is probably from an inside takeaway plus a slightly closed club face.

Let the club face stay neutral or even slightly open to go with the inside takeaway and you will get the pretty draw instead of the overcooked one.
This post was edited on 11/16/25 at 2:49 am
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