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re: Why I like Lee and Hatch and want them to stay

Posted on 1/11/09 at 3:52 pm to
Posted by biglego
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Posted on 1/11/09 at 3:52 pm to
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Imagine if people were saying that Keiland Williams should transfer.

KW mightve gotten a lot more carries had he transferred to a team with a less crowded backfield. It would hurt LSU's depth for Lee to transfer but it might be a good move for him so that he plays more.
Posted by bayoubilly57
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Posted on 1/11/09 at 4:04 pm to
U FORGOT ABOUT THE PIC666666
Posted by Bigsteviep33
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Posted on 1/11/09 at 4:18 pm to
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Why I like Lee and Hatch and want them to stay


Because your a idiot.
Posted by jcole4lsu
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Posted on 1/11/09 at 4:27 pm to
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why would lee transfer he will be playing next year quite a bit


no, he wont. JJ is clearly better than him, and we have 2 freshman coming in for spring ball. he probably will never see the field in TS again... if you cant see this, go watch another sport.
Posted by BigBoyTiger
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Posted on 1/11/09 at 4:41 pm to
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JJ is clearly better than him


That may be true. But what happens if JJ gets hurt. You gonna put a true frosh in with questionable ability to pass? I mean some of you people on this board just amaze me with your stupidity.
Posted by BigBoyTiger
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Posted on 1/11/09 at 4:42 pm to
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Because your a idiot.


Why is he an idiot? Again, if JJ gets injured we will have serious depth issues if one or both transfer.

And as for JL, he definitely made a lot of mistakes, but he also showed a tremendous amount of potential..
Posted by jcole4lsu
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Posted on 1/11/09 at 5:28 pm to
wow.. you are right, lee should stick around to be back up to a true soph and true frosh.

wtf! the op said JL should stay b/c of all the playing time he was going to get... and minus an injury THAT ISNT GOING TO HAPPEN.

questionable passing ability? lol... anything is better than pick 6.... anything.
Posted by YoungMoney
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Posted on 1/11/09 at 5:30 pm to
JL will make a great contribution holding that clipboard.
Posted by lsutothetop
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Posted on 1/11/09 at 5:33 pm to
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questionable passing ability? lol... anything is better than pick 6.... anything.

Do you know why those pick-sixes happened? Lee was trying to force a big play. Why was he doing that? He had to. The defense didn't stop anything this year, and as a result Lee had to lead scoring drives basically every time he went out on the field. The offense couldn't afford not to convert anything, and he had to force plays that weren't there.

To contrast, you'll notice that Jefferson never really had to -- except on the final drive against Arkansas, and how'd that end up? Every other time, either nothing happened and the game ended terribly (Ole Miss) or the defense actually stopped the other team consistently so he didn't have to force plays (Georgia Tech).

What, honestly, is so hard to see about this?
Posted by jcole4lsu
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Posted on 1/11/09 at 5:36 pm to
What the hell is so hard to see that making bad decisions is just that... making a bad decision. he HAD to throw that opening pass against UGA? Are you going to honestly sit there and say you think JL can make it in the SEC as a qb? really?

The kid will not take JJ's job, and wont overtake both incoming frosh. So he should transfer.. for HIMSELF. JL needs to go somewhere he can get some significant PT.

Whats so hard to figure out?
Posted by BigBoyTiger
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Posted on 1/11/09 at 5:44 pm to
I love how angry this subject makes you.

The fact is that we had the third best offense in the SEC this year. And JL was the starting quarterback for most of the games.

I love how you talk about an injury not happening...as if you can predict such a thing.

JL moved the ball a lot during the year. Sure he made some bad decisions, but that is to be expected from a RS Frosh.

I hope he doesn't transfer because LSU could end up regretting this on a similar level to how Pittsburgh regrets Joe Flacco transferring. Now the guy is just a game from the Super Bowl.

I love how a lot of you people on the Rant are so hard on J Lee. And then you cite people like Sam Bradford and Colt McCoy...1) These are rare, rare examples and 2) Look at the defenses they play against.
Posted by BigBoyTiger
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Posted on 1/11/09 at 5:45 pm to
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Are you going to honestly sit there and say you think JL can make it in the SEC as a qb?


We had the third best offense in the SEC this year, knob job.
Posted by jcole4lsu
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Posted on 1/11/09 at 5:49 pm to
I'm not angry, nor overly hard on JL...

The person i was quoting said that JL should stay b/c he will see "significant" pt... which is nonsense unless JJ gets injured.

Also, I've never mentioned colt or sam bradford either. Those two are freaks.

Fact remains that JJ has more talent and makes better decisions than JL... and flat out played better than JL.

So if i was JL, i'd move on to somewhere i could get a real chance at starting.
Posted by BigBoyTiger
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Posted on 1/11/09 at 5:52 pm to
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Fact remains that JJ has more talent and makes better decisions than JL... and flat out played better than JL.


Yeah..if you judge 2.5 games.

While it is a small sample, I would agree that JJ is slightly ahead of JL. But JL has a pro arm and create plays in passing that JJ just can't, in my opinion. Now I will say JJ is more of a low risk, low reward quarterback, but JL is more of a high risk, high reward guy who can hit a home run on a single play.
Posted by jcole4lsu
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Posted on 1/11/09 at 5:56 pm to
With all the athletes we have on offense... which type of qb is a better fit? a guy who doesnt hurt the team, or a guy who DOES.

Ill go with the former. And while JL can make home run shots with his arm... JJ can do it with his legs... which has a smaller risk involved. Its not like JJ doesnt have an arm.. he uncorked a couple against GT
Posted by BigBoyTiger
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Posted on 1/11/09 at 5:59 pm to
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a guy who doesnt hurt the team, or a guy who DOES


I see what you are saying, but it is tough to make this argument after 2.5 games. I mean, I wouldn't call JJ's play positive to the team in the Ole Miss game. Nor would I call the second half of Arkansas positive.

I guess it is in the eye of the beholder.

Whoever the LSU quarterback is, I will support. But I find it ridiculous what people say about Lee on this board. I find most of it erroneous and outrageous, in some cases.
Posted by lsutothetop
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Posted on 1/11/09 at 7:35 pm to
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What the hell is so hard to see that making bad decisions is just that... making a bad decision. he HAD to throw that opening pass against UGA?

Oh no, you have one example contradicting me, therefore it's completely wrong!

Yeah, QBs make bad decisions. Not surprising. What I said was that most of the bad passes, the pick-sixes, came from being forced to make plays to keep LSU moving. There's a reason LSU had the third-best offense in the SEC -- it had to, or the team couldn't keep up with its opponents.

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Are you going to honestly sit there and say you think JL can make it in the SEC as a qb? really?

Are you going to honestly sit there and say you think Lee can't make it in the SEC as a QB? Really?

There's one thing Lee has that Jefferson has not: winning from behind. When the defense couldn't do anything against Troy and LSU was down late in the third by four touchdowns, who was it that passed LSU to victory? Was it Hatch? No, he had a leg injury. A walk-on? None of them played a snap this year. Jefferson? 1/6 passing -- not quite, but he did provide on the ground...too bad that didn't help the passing game. No, it was Jarrett Lee that led LSU to five straight scoring drives in the last 20 minutes to win the greatest comeback in LSU history.

You're going to tell me that he can't win in the SEC? He already has -- Auburn, Mississippi State, South Carolina. All of LSU's SEC wins occurred under Lee's watch. Granted, that's not a very star-studded list, but where's Jefferson's list? Oh, right, there isn't one, since he hasn't won a single SEC game yet.

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The kid will not take JJ's job, and wont overtake both incoming frosh. So he should transfer.. for HIMSELF. JL needs to go somewhere he can get some significant PT.

One injury to a dual-threat quarterback away. It happened to Hatch twice this year -- who's to say Jefferson will stay injury-free through his remaining years at LSU?

And did you really just say that the only quarterback on the roster to win an SEC game and lead a comeback win won't beat out any incoming freshmen? No doubt that Russell Shepard and Chris Garrett have upside, but I'd rather someone who's played a down of football at LSU be the guy under center if/when Jefferson can't play for whatever reason.

Maybe he would be better off transferring for playing time purposes. But I doubt it. Another thought -- what if Jefferson were to go pro after 2010? It's a ways off, no question, and in all likelihood the other, younger QBs could take the reins. But something about this situation seems reminiscent of JaMarcus Russell and Matt Flynn. Ryan Perriloux could have started in 2007 over Flynn had he transferred and done really well. Garrett or Shepard could do the same if Jefferson weren't here his senior season. But if Lee stays, maybe it'll end like it did for Flynn.

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Whats so hard to figure out?

The general foaming-at-the-mouth rabid hatred for Jarrett Lee, that's what. Not your stance specifically, but the Rant's general stance.
Posted by ShermanTxTiger
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Posted on 1/11/09 at 7:40 pm to
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What he said +1
Posted by biglego
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Posted on 1/11/09 at 8:33 pm to
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Do you know why those pick-sixes happened? Lee was trying to force a big play. Why was he doing that? He had to.



like the pick-6 against Tulane? Or the first play against UGA? Or against Bama when the defense was playing well? Or against Troy??

Jesus, by the time Ole Miss came to town, the running game couldnt work b/c the defenses had no respect for the pass, and Crowton was afraid to throw a pass to the middle of the field. How can so many forget just how bad the QB play was all year until JJ went in? Who here was upset that Lee didnt play against Ark and GT?
Posted by tigerhack
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 1/12/09 at 10:40 pm to
you got to be kidding me if you believe all this is lee's fault. 60% play calling 20% qb and 20% defense lost these games.these plays were called in from the sideline he didn't just pull this shite out of his arse and decide he was gonna run a certain play. lee looked like a seasoned qb when the calls changed which was when we were behind and trying to catch up . that was the difference between the 1st half and the 2nd half in the games you just mentioned . he does need to work on some things like looking at his recievers but to put the blame on a freshman qb is just plain bullshite.
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