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Shepard not a Quarterback???
Posted on 1/7/09 at 1:49 am
Posted on 1/7/09 at 1:49 am
I love shep and everything but I just can't see him being a true quarterback for us at Lsu. I believe J. Jefferson is our future for the next three years. I could see him coming in and taking a few snaps a game (aka The wild Tiger, Aka the crouching tiger) but, I just can't see him ever getting the starting job at LSU. I watched the UA and just wasn't impressed with his arm. He had a couple of nice throws but as a whole I just see a kid with a world of ability and speed. Shepard is a great player and im not trying to take anything from him but everyone wanted Debose but we need to wake up and see hes 10x better than Debose we just have to use him correctly. 
Thoughts?
Thoughts?
This post was edited on 1/7/09 at 2:30 am
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Posted on 1/7/09 at 1:56 am to SaintNation
Same thing was said about Pat White and he's goin to the senior bowl as a quarterback. Kiper said a few days ago he could go in the 2nd round as a qb if he performs well.
Posted on 1/7/09 at 2:19 am to SaintNation
No one performed well in the game. Matt Barkley did the best and he was 11-22 with several dropped interceptions. I don't know what's gonna go on with the guy, but I know he's an amazing player and he can play whatever the heck he wants.
Posted on 1/7/09 at 2:22 am to LSUButt
And I agree I just wanted to see what everyone has to say with Jefferson emerging this year
This post was edited on 1/7/09 at 2:27 am
Posted on 1/7/09 at 4:08 am to SaintNation
I have no doubt that Shep can be a top-notch college quarterback, but he is a project quarterback since he has a lot to learn and he also has to improve his arm strength and passing skills. I’d much rather use him the way Florida uses Harvin and believe it would be better for Shep in the long run as for as his draft stock and pro career are concerned, and also it would be better for LSU as well since we could begin using him immediately.
He’ll earn far more money as a versatile all around player than he ever will as a quarterback and will have a much more fulfilling career in my opinion. Now if he were 2 or 3 inches taller and had an NFL arm, I would prefer that he stay at the quarterback position, but a guy with all that God given talent ought make full use of it by being an all around performer.
In any event, I’d love to see him spread wide, in the slot, in the backfield, receiving snaps, catching bubble screens, shuttle passes, quick slants, bombs, in the wild tiger, end arounds, double-reverses, passing the ball in trick plays, used as a decoy, and the list goes on and on endlessly. He’s a creative offensive coordinator’s dream.
Plus playing on a high profile team like LSU, who knows he would have a great shot to possibly win a Heisman trophy before he leaves. He does have the potential
He’ll earn far more money as a versatile all around player than he ever will as a quarterback and will have a much more fulfilling career in my opinion. Now if he were 2 or 3 inches taller and had an NFL arm, I would prefer that he stay at the quarterback position, but a guy with all that God given talent ought make full use of it by being an all around performer.
In any event, I’d love to see him spread wide, in the slot, in the backfield, receiving snaps, catching bubble screens, shuttle passes, quick slants, bombs, in the wild tiger, end arounds, double-reverses, passing the ball in trick plays, used as a decoy, and the list goes on and on endlessly. He’s a creative offensive coordinator’s dream.
Plus playing on a high profile team like LSU, who knows he would have a great shot to possibly win a Heisman trophy before he leaves. He does have the potential
Posted on 1/7/09 at 4:58 am to Toothpick
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I have no doubt that Shep can be a top-notch college quarterback, but he is a project quarterback since he has a lot to learn and he also has to improve his arm strength and passing skills. I’d much rather use him the way Florida uses Harvin and believe it would be better for Shep in the long run as for as his draft stock and pro career are concerned, and also it would be better for LSU as well since we could begin using him immediately.
He’ll earn far more money as a versatile all around player than he ever will as a quarterback and will have a much more fulfilling career in my opinion. Now if he were 2 or 3 inches taller and had an NFL arm, I would prefer that he stay at the quarterback position, but a guy with all that God given talent ought make full use of it by being an all around performer.
In any event, I’d love to see him spread wide, in the slot, in the backfield, receiving snaps, catching bubble screens, shuttle passes, quick slants, bombs, in the wild tiger, end arounds, double-reverses, passing the ball in trick plays, used as a decoy, and the list goes on and on endlessly. He’s a creative offensive coordinator’s dream.
Plus playing on a high profile team like LSU, who knows he would have a great shot to possibly win a Heisman trophy before he leaves. He does have the potential
Posted on 1/7/09 at 6:07 am to Bobby Moore
what they said ^^^
Posted on 1/7/09 at 7:18 am to locotiger
all star games are made for defenses, who can just hit the guy in front of them and run 100 miles per hour. offenses are about timing and comfort with your teammates, and of course thats not gonna haooen in a week. why do you think NFL guys like Drew, Eli, Payton spend so much time with thier receivers, running the same routes again and again and again. its true shep didnt look great, dont care. it was one game.
Posted on 1/7/09 at 7:20 am to SaintNation
quote:He threw a great out-route. 30 yds on a rope. Obviously you didn't see that.
I watched the UA and just wasn't impressed with his arm.
In terms of "Shepard not a Quarterback???", Hines Ward, Tommy Frazier, Eric Crouch, Tee Martin, Matt Jones, Pat White, Dennis Dixon, Vince Young, Terrell Pryor, Troy Smith might question your logic. FWIW, Derrick McFadden wasn't much of a QB either . . . hmmm?
Posted on 1/7/09 at 7:23 am to eyeran
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Same thing was said about Pat White and he's goin to the senior bowl as a quarterback. Kiper said a few days ago he could go in the 2nd round as a qb if he performs well.
If Pat White was a wide out instead I bet he would be a high to mid first round pick. So I think he is leaving some money on the table. Plus he would probably have entered the draft his junior year instead of his fifth year senior year.
Posted on 1/7/09 at 7:30 am to eyeran
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Same thing was said about Pat White and he's goin to the senior bowl as a quarterback. Kiper said a few days ago he could go in the 2nd round as a qb if he performs well.
There is no way Pat White ever becomes a starting qb in the NFL.
Examples: Michael Vick would have lost the starting job in Atlanta had he not gone to jail. His passer rating was near the bottom of the league. Vince Young is twice the player Pat White is and lost his job to a journeyman NFL Veteran. Troy Smith w/ a year in the league could not beat out rookie Joe Flacco from Delaware State.
When a running/athletic/dual threat QB wins something in the NFL then Kiper can legitimately make this claim. Until then it is nothing more than background noise.
The NFL recoginizes that a good day for an athletic QB is 80 yards rushing and 150 in the air. For a good Pro Style QB a good day is 350 through the air w/ the rushing done by running backs. It's pretty siimple mathematics.
Furthermore, what has Pat White won at WVU? All they had to do was beat Pitt to go to the National Title Game! Conclusion: Kiper was high if he made that statement.
This post was edited on 1/7/09 at 7:32 am
Posted on 1/7/09 at 7:52 am to SaintNation
Quarterback all the way
Posted on 1/7/09 at 7:53 am to specs1
I think you are way off base. I watched the UA game and can tell you that Barkley peformed well, but had his issues as well. The kid Gilbert threw the ball very poorly and to me, Shepard should have won the MVP. Had a 90 yard td pass and a 15 yard td run. Listen, do you remember Matt Mauck? All he could do is run when he first go to LSU. Saban wouldn't even let the kid throw the ball his first year. Mauck eventually went on to win an NC. I think you are too caught up with his athletic ability and not looking at the kid as a whole. I tell you one thing, he throws the ball better at this stage than Mauck, Jefferson and Perriloux. Shepard is a qb and that's what he will always be.
Posted on 1/7/09 at 7:55 am to specs1
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There is no way Pat White ever becomes a starting qb in the NFL.
Examples: Michael Vick would have lost the starting job in Atlanta had he not gone to jail. His passer rating was near the bottom of the league. Vince Young is twice the player Pat White is and lost his job to a journeyman NFL Veteran. Troy Smith w/ a year in the league could not beat out rookie Joe Flacco from Delaware State.
When a running/athletic/dual threat QB wins something in the NFL then Kiper can legitimately make this claim. Until then it is nothing more than background noise.
The NFL recoginizes that a good day for an athletic QB is 80 yards rushing and 150 in the air. For a good Pro Style QB a good day is 350 through the air w/ the rushing done by running backs. It's pretty siimple mathematics.
You say all this but, if their was a Michael Vick or a Vince Young in this year's draft they would go top 10, no doubt about it.
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Furthermore, what has Pat White won at WVU?
The only QB to ever start and win 4 bowl games. Two of which were BCS games.
Posted on 1/7/09 at 7:59 am to eyeran
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You say all this but, if their was a Michael Vick or a Vince Young in this year's draft they would go top 10, no doubt about it.
And they would also back up a Matt Ryan or Joe Flacco.
How can fans see the same evidence and draw different conclusions?
It's quite clear that successful NFL teams do not have running QB's.
At least if LSU is going to go this way, they'll have 2 of them. A few years back Oregon had a shot until Dickson went down.
Posted on 1/7/09 at 8:13 am to specs1
Shep was not impressive at the QB position but is a super athlete. JJ should be the starter.
Posted on 1/7/09 at 8:15 am to DONHOGG
Shep can play any skill position he wants to as far as I am concerned. As long as it is for LSU.
This post was edited on 1/7/09 at 8:15 am
Posted on 1/7/09 at 8:19 am to specs1
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How can fans see the same evidence and draw different conclusions?
Why are you blaming fans for the decisions nfl franchises make? Im not saying running qb's will ever work in the nfl. Im just saying a gm wouldnt shy away from a Michael Vick-type prospect. Also, stats aside, Vick won a lot of games in Atlanta. Aside from the superbowl year, it was the most succesful period in their history. This gets overlooked because he's been such a polarizing figure since he joined the league.
Posted on 1/7/09 at 8:24 am to bamablows
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he throws the ball better at this stage than Mauck, Jefferson and Perriloux
Fail!
Posted on 1/7/09 at 8:29 am to Toothpick
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he throws the ball better at this stage than Mauck, Jefferson and Perriloux
Listen. Im excited about Shep too but this comment is absurd. Get your head out of your arse.
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