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re: A I refuses to say how many Jews were killed by the Nazis but knows all about the NABKA!!

Posted on 5/13/24 at 8:40 am to
Posted by Old Money
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 5/13/24 at 8:40 am to
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Yeah, all those Jews just up and disappeared. No telling what happened to them. We'll never know!


There is merit in questioning the 6 million figure. To my knowledge, the 6 million estimate comes from 3 main sources:


1) Census data. The jewish population in Europe decreased from a pre war ~9.5 million to post war ~3.5 million. Obviously not all died in the holocaust. Some fled to different nations and were unaccounted for after, many died as civilians (normal death, starvation, disease, bombings, shootings), as military personnel, as part of the holocaust.

2) An SS officer, who was a major and worked for their central intelligence agency (RSHA), named Dr. Wilhelm Höttl during the Nuremberg Trials.

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Approximately 4,000,000 Jews had been killed in the various concentration camps, while an additional 2,000,000 met death in other ways, the major part of whom were shot by operational squads of the Security Police during the campaign against Russia.


3) Adolf Eichmann, another SS officer who was one of the main figures associated with bringing about the holocaust .Allegedly during the trial, held in Israel, he once said 6 million overall died. he later changed the number to 5 million in 1961 before being sentenced to death. I say allegedly as I havent looked into seeing if tapes exist.

They caught him in Argentina. A pretty interesting story to read about.

I think like any other historical event it is always good to look into it and continue to search for the truth. While the Germans kept good records, they did not have a master document, or multiple documents that when combined account for every death. A good example of this is something called Aktion T4 (T4 program). This was a eugenics program that killed mentally/physically disabled people (not just Jews, but in general). There is no main list/lists of all killed, only estimates, first hand witnesses, words from the families of those killed, and testimonies from the Nuremberg trials. Documents do exist that show killings, there are plenty. But there is nothing that when added up automatically equals an almost exact number, just like the holocaust.

Everyone has a bias and with such a polarizing event it will always be hard to find exact truth. There are many ridiculous claims on both sides (roller coasters that threw Jews into gas chambers/ovens, many nazi officals using jewish skin as decorations like lamp shades or as soap, people claiming the gas chambers were not in fact real and were only used for delousing).

Also, some believe Nuremberg trials estimates to also be not the greatest number due to mistreatment of Nazi affiliated prisoners. Whether that be forced confessions, threats, physical harm, etc.

My personal opinion is that the intensity of the holocaust only picked up when the war was clearly being lost. The german people starved as food went to soldiers. They did not have the resources to keep those in camps alive so they started executing them en masse.

Overall there were many attrocities during WW2 (allied bombings killing hundreds of thousands of civilians, holodomor, general starvation, ethnic killings/rape done by foreign armies in foreign lands done by all sides)
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
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Posted on 5/13/24 at 11:01 am to
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There is merit in questioning the 6 million figure.


Not really. It's like questioning Alabama national titles. It doesn't matter what number you agree with, because the reality is it's still a substantial amount more than anyone else and questioning it provides no value to anyone.
This post was edited on 5/13/24 at 11:03 am
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