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re: Florida deputy fatally shot US airman that answered the door with a gun
Posted on 5/10/24 at 2:32 am to TeddyPadillac
Posted on 5/10/24 at 2:32 am to TeddyPadillac
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Explain what you wanted the cop to do there? Seriously, put yourself in his shoes. You going to just chance it that he won’t shoot you? He’s a human being, not a robot.
When you have a badge and a gun, the standards are higher. You roam society fully armed with lethal and non-lethal items, as well as body armor. The public has to trust that you are able to tell when there's a threat, and when there isn't a threat. Citizens, especially in their own dwellings, are allowed to carry swords, kitchen knives, bleach, scissors, and guns - all without the presumption of being a threat.
I'm assuming by your logic, and the number of these incidents that happen, that citizens can now decide they are not going to "just chance it" that LE won't shoot them - otherwise you're creating a special class in violation of the 14th Amendment. This means that when you're pulled over for speeding and the LEO approaches your car with gun drawn or hand on the gun in the holster, you no longer have to "just chance it" and you can preemptively begin shooting. After all, the LEO is "just human" and apparently not held to a higher standard than the ordinary citizen. If the ordinary citizen is assumed to be a threat, then the LEO must be looked at in the same way, if we use your logic.
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The only way that guy possibly doesn’t get shot answering the door with a gun is if he immediately says don’t shoot don’t shoot don’t shoot while putting the gun on the ground and walking away from it.
No, the way he doesn't get shot is to have LE that understands they must accept risk, and they must verify hostile intent before going to lethal force.
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You can say something stupid like I wish they didn’t shoot everyone with a gun immediately
That would not be a stupid comment.
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that’s the consequences of being a stupid gun owner
This guy was not a stupid gun owner. He was in his own dwelling. He can answer the door dressed as Captain Kirk or Robo Cop or anything else he wishes to do, including holding a gun. That is his right. And even if he is a stupid gun owner, he's allowed to be a stupid gun owner when he's not posing a threat and he's not allowed to be murdered for stupidity.
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A responsible gun owner doesn’t answer the door like that even if it wasn’t the police.
This is ridiculous. Again, it's his dwelling. And being irresponsible is not grounds for getting killed.
If this guy had been cleaning his weapon, tried to re-assemble it and put it away to comply with your advice, and it took too much time and LE knocked down his door, you'd still find a way to criticize him, rather than LE.
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