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Question about PPM and investors.

Posted on 12/20/08 at 10:54 pm
Posted by BamaScoop
Panama City Beach, Florida
Member since May 2007
56783 posts
Posted on 12/20/08 at 10:54 pm
I have a question and do not know anything about this.

If you have a company and you have raised money from non-qualified investors to the sum of about $985,000 but only about 30 - 50 thousand from each individual but you have no PPM (private Placement Memorandum) in place, is this a problem. The scenario I am speaking of is real and the CEO is now bringing in new investors to pay the interest to the investors already on board.

Is this a problem for the CEO?

The company is not a public company.

I would appreciate an honest answer on this from someone that knows what they are talking about.

Thanks!!
Posted by Colonel Hapablap
Mostly Harmless
Member since Nov 2003
28791 posts
Posted on 12/20/08 at 10:55 pm to
quote:

the CEO is now bringing in new investors to pay the interest to the investors already on board.

Is the CEO's last name Madoff?
Posted by BamaScoop
Panama City Beach, Florida
Member since May 2007
56783 posts
Posted on 12/20/08 at 11:01 pm to
quote:

Is the CEO's last name Madoff?


No but the Madoof situation is what is making me wonder about this. Someone explained what he did the other night on CNBC and it sounded the same as what I am experienceing.

I think the PPM has something to do with the SEC even though the company is not public I think the SEC can get involved in a situation like this.
Posted by Rivers
Florida
Member since Nov 2008
3256 posts
Posted on 12/21/08 at 3:46 am to
Even if the SEC does not get involved the State's Attorney might if the state believes that it's a Ponzi scheme and fraud is involved.
Posted by BamaScoop
Panama City Beach, Florida
Member since May 2007
56783 posts
Posted on 12/21/08 at 5:10 am to
would the AG get involved if it is only a million dollars?
Posted by Rivers
Florida
Member since Nov 2008
3256 posts
Posted on 12/21/08 at 8:36 am to
I did not mean the Attorney General of the US. I meant the State's Attorney for Bama. If Bama is like most states the State's Attorneys Office has a division that investigates fraud...and, yes, for a million dollar fraud they will probably investigate.

Much will depend on how many (if any) defrauded complainants come forward and file charges.
Posted by JD04
Member since Oct 2006
54 posts
Posted on 12/21/08 at 11:00 pm to
Let me try to address the issues you've raised.

First, the SEC has jurisdiction over practically any security sold in the US. And security is defined very broadly. It's not limited to what the average person would consider to be a security, i.e., a publicly traded security. A passive investment in a private company clearly falls within the SEC's jurisdiction.

Secondly, Rule 504 under Reg D allows a company to raise up to $1 million in a 12 month period without filing a registration statement with the SEC. Under this exemption, there is no requirement that the investors be accredited. Rules 505 and 506 allow for more money to be raised but in all practicality the securities must be sold to accredited investors and generally require a ppm.

Additionally, even if the private placement is exempt under Rule 504, the company should have filed a Form D with the SEC and mostly likely in each state in which the securities were sold.

Finally, if this is a legitimate business then there's probably no problem with selling the additional securities. However, if there is no underlying business and returns to the initial investors are contingent solely upon raising new capital, this is the very definition of a Ponzi scheme and the CEO should start researching countries that don't have extradition treaties with the US b/c he's likely to go the way of Madoff.

That being said, the above doesn't constitute legal advice and the CEO should really consider contacting an experienced corporate and securities attorney. The securities laws are difficult enough for even a seasoned attorney to understand, much less someone with little to no experience on the subject.
Posted by BamaScoop
Panama City Beach, Florida
Member since May 2007
56783 posts
Posted on 12/22/08 at 11:04 pm to
Thank you. That sounds very accurate with the information I have found on line.
Posted by Alltheway Tigers!
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2004
7945 posts
Posted on 12/26/08 at 11:29 am to
Just to add, in addition to the SEC (which is woefully understaffed), each state has a state security agency.

While the SEC might over look this, your state security agency would probably be interested.

Posted by kfizzle85
Member since Dec 2005
22022 posts
Posted on 12/26/08 at 12:30 pm to
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While the SEC might over look this they'll probably just ignore it because they're a bunch of asshats who happen to also be woefully understaffed as well.


Fixed
Posted by Tiger JJ
Member since Aug 2010
545 posts
Posted on 12/26/08 at 1:12 pm to
quote:

raised money from non-qualified investors


Sounds like a breach to me.
Posted by BamaScoop
Panama City Beach, Florida
Member since May 2007
56783 posts
Posted on 12/26/08 at 9:10 pm to
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BamaScoop, I can't believe you would be interest in contacing the State Attorney General for Alabama. He is a lawyer after all.


...and a queer from what I have heard.

I don't have a problem with all lawyers, I have a problem with dishonest lawyers and lawyers that are criminals. I have an excellent law firm working with me on this issue.

I appreciate everyones input.
Posted by Tigah in the ATL
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2005
27539 posts
Posted on 12/29/08 at 10:32 am to
quote:

...and a queer from what I have heard.
WTF? That has what to do with anything, besides publishing your bigotry?
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