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re: Nazi Germany surrendered to the Allies on this day 79 years ago...
Posted on 5/8/24 at 12:22 pm to Boodis Man
Posted on 5/8/24 at 12:22 pm to Boodis Man
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Pretty pathetic that the US tries to act like they defeated the nazis…it was the ussr that put in 90% of the work
The Soviet Union definitely put in A LOT of work to defeat Nazi Germany in the Second World War. Anyone can rightfully claim that they put in the lion's share amongst the world powers who fought against Hitler and thugs. However, it's silly to act like the United States wasn't an indispensable player in the fall of the Third Reich. For instance, Lend-Lease played a HUGE part in the Soviet's triumph over the Wehrmacht in both 1941-42 and 1942-43. Does the Red Army still emerge triumphant in both German offensives? Probably. However, they likely lack the logistical and material strength to hit back with such major counter-blows as they did without American support.
And if Stalin and the Soviets didn't need the Allies to defeat the Germans, I highly doubt they would have been begging us to open up a second front in Europe ASAP for the better part of two years. He downright refused to launch an offensive into the heart of eastern Europe in the summer of 1944 unless we invaded France. It also must be said that the threat of Allied invasion in France, combined with our steady advance up the Italian peninsula, kept divisions that could have been sent to the Eastern Front to fight the Red Army tied down in those threatened areas.
To say the Soviet Union was 90% responsible for the victory over Nazi Germany is pure revisionist history.
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Posted on 5/8/24 at 12:45 pm to RollTide1987
1) Without Lend Lease Moscow falls in 1941 and the rest of the USSR in 1942. Yes they put armed men, tanks and artillery into the meat grinder without regard to life or limb. Lend Lease is the only reason they had guns, bullets, artillery, planes, and tanks
2) Germany’s refusal to develop a long range bomber despite their desire for “living space” in the East cost them the war with Russia.
3) Germany’s failure to develop a simple fighter that had a better turning radius than the British fighters cost them the Battle of Britain and air superiority over the continent. This made D Day possible.
4) Germany’s over reliance upon U Boats to control and limit both the flow of goods from the US to the continent and defend the coast may have been their greatest mistake. Regardless of Lend Lease, If Germany could have sustained control of both the commercial shipping lanes as well as the sea coasts / ports, England starves and Russia runs out of bullets, guns, artillery, tanks, etc.
One of the most interesting topics Indy dives into during the WW2 week by week series is the war machine data.
2) Germany’s refusal to develop a long range bomber despite their desire for “living space” in the East cost them the war with Russia.
3) Germany’s failure to develop a simple fighter that had a better turning radius than the British fighters cost them the Battle of Britain and air superiority over the continent. This made D Day possible.
4) Germany’s over reliance upon U Boats to control and limit both the flow of goods from the US to the continent and defend the coast may have been their greatest mistake. Regardless of Lend Lease, If Germany could have sustained control of both the commercial shipping lanes as well as the sea coasts / ports, England starves and Russia runs out of bullets, guns, artillery, tanks, etc.
One of the most interesting topics Indy dives into during the WW2 week by week series is the war machine data.
Posted on 5/8/24 at 2:05 pm to RollTide1987
US deserves some credit for lend/lease and D-day etc. which is why i gave them 10%.
90% credit for the USSR is deserved because of the savagery and barbarism required to beat back the fanatical, meth head germans. they were on the frontline in brutal weather in some of the worst circumstances imaginable.
90% credit for the USSR is deserved because of the savagery and barbarism required to beat back the fanatical, meth head germans. they were on the frontline in brutal weather in some of the worst circumstances imaginable.
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