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re: Those Ole Miss Baws Are About To Get Introduced To The New Woke America

Posted on 5/6/24 at 1:34 pm to
Posted by Sam Quint
Member since Sep 2022
4932 posts
Posted on 5/6/24 at 1:34 pm to
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Freedom of speech is never freedom from consequences.

god i'm so tired of hearing this trite bullshite from people like you that think you are really saying something here.

yes, you are right. if i walk up to a huge guy and start running my mouth and he knocks me the frick out, I cant turn around and say my first amendment rights were violated.

but say I’m a student at a government funded institution and I say or do something that goes against the cultural and politically accepted norms, and then that state funded school starts threatening me with expulsion and coming out making statements against me, etc. and then a thousand journalists that contribute to a thousand publications that any number of which are deeply in bed with the government all start swarming and attacking me. and then I get kicked out of school and try to go get a job with some company who looks me up and sees my story, and they know that they are at the mercy of those same institutions that are all deeply intertwined the government and major power brokers, so they don’t hire me --- do I really have freedom of speech?


Posted by CreoleTigerEsq
Noneya
Member since Nov 2007
672 posts
Posted on 5/6/24 at 1:50 pm to
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but say I’m a student at a government funded institution and I say or do something that goes against the cultural and politically accepted norms, and then that state funded school starts threatening me with expulsion and coming out making statements against me, etc.


This is government attempting to limit your speech. You may have a case here regarding your fundamental rights being violated by the government-funded institution.

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... and then a thousand journalists that contribute to a thousand publications ... all start swarming and attacking me. and then I ... try to go get a job with some company who looks me up and sees my story, and they ... don’t hire me --- do I really have freedom of speech?


These sound like consequences from your speech flowing from private organizations (other than being kicked out of school).

Freedom of speech does not equal freedom from consequences.

If you want to walk in the middle of the quad and say that all fat girls that look like Lizzo are shite-eating monkeys and deserve to have monkey noises directed at them, then you have that right, and no government entity should abridge that right to speak freely.

It doesn't mean that a private citizen can't film you and then distribute that widely on social media, and then every private employer choose not to hire you because your values don't align with that of the company.

The constitutional protection of freedom of speech is meant to limit government overreach on your right to speak freely. It has nothing to do with consequences from private entities that react to your speech.

A great example of this is Ryna Workman, a third year law student at NYU Law School who lost her offer to a New York law firm not long after Israel was attacked on October 7, 2023. Her speech was not infringed by the State of New York, but the firm that offered her an associate position promptly revoked the offer after her comments about the attack.

Again, consequences flowing from private action in response to her speech.

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This post was edited on 5/6/24 at 1:57 pm
Posted by Gham
Member since Nov 2023
285 posts
Posted on 5/6/24 at 2:39 pm to
Guy did a long, drawn out monkey impression at a black person in a video. You think that doesn’t violate some rules of the gOveRnMeNt fUnDed institution? Are you fricking brain dead?
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