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re: To all the Ukraine/Russia experts on the board

Posted on 4/18/24 at 7:43 am to
Posted by ChewyDante
Member since Jan 2007
16934 posts
Posted on 4/18/24 at 7:43 am to
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Because something doesn't affect you, it's not important or worthwhile?


When it's the foreign policy of the United States and will cost the American taxpayer hundreds of billions of dollars and directly involves us materially and politically in active warfare against a nuclear power on the other side of the world, yes, you need to have a pretty detailed and convincing argument as to why we should be involving ourselves and how it is in our vital national interest.

Something can obviously be "important and worthwhile" to someone's interests, but not ours. Does what's important or worthwhile to Ukraine compel the American population to commit its tax monies and national security to Ukraine's interests? Do the American people have a right to say no to the government using their tax money to fund a foreign country's war? Do we have the right to tell our government that we don't want to take a side? Do we have a right to question the state narrative that Russia poses a threat of aggression against the United States or NATO? Do we have a right to question whether the US and NATO's policies have served to worsen our relations with Russia instead of to ensure trust and security?

Is it worth our riches, national prestige, and possibly a major war in order to pursue a policy of "weakening Russia" or maintaining a status quo relative power balance over them? Is it wise policy for the United States to volunteer ourselves to take on the financial costs and the nonsensical risks of conflict in order to take a side in this war between two Slavic states that fundamentally does not harm any tangible US interests? Americans have every right to ask these questions of their government BEFORE this involvement occurs and we have every right to tell them no. The unelected and unaccountable neocon defense and intelligence establishment has a stranglehold on both parties and manipulates the political discourse to promote a narrative that demands U.S. intervention as standard operating procedure. They attempt to smear and destroy any political actor that might effectively push a message of change to American foreign policy.
This post was edited on 4/18/24 at 7:45 am
Posted by OccamsStubble
Member since Aug 2019
5158 posts
Posted on 4/18/24 at 7:57 am to
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Is it worth our riches, national prestige, and possibly a major war in order to pursue a policy of "weakening Russia"


How do I know that this often stated goal is 100% bullschitt, and the real goal is making the MIC members fabulously wealthy and lining political pockets?

If Russia and Gaza surrendered tomorrow, how long would the US go before dropping bombs on some faraway place because ‘CRISIS!!!’
This post was edited on 4/18/24 at 7:58 am
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