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re: Russia and China were big allies with USA during World War II.

Posted on 4/14/24 at 12:12 pm to
Posted by ChewyDante
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Posted on 4/14/24 at 12:12 pm to
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We were never allies with Russia. We lent them weaponry, fuel and supplies until we entered the war.


This is a very incorrect assessment. The United States under FDR gave the USSR weapons from before we entered the war and all the way throughout the war. We never held back due to concern over Soviet strength. We spoke glowingly about "Uncle Joe" to win over the American populace to the monster that we allied ourselves with. We covered up the Katyn massacre so the Soviets could save face with the Poles. We fully honored agreements to not negotiate with Germany outside of universal Soviet, U.S., British agreement in terms. We allowed the USSR to occupy all of Eastern Europe, including half of Germany. We pardoned the Soviets for their illegal and naked aggression with their invasions and occupations of Finland, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, and Poland, which all occurred before any hostilities with Germany. We gave the Soviets control over all the states whose national sovereignty was supposedly the entire purpose of the war with Germany to begin with. FDR's regime had Soviet spies and sympathizers throughout, including some of his high advisors.

The ugly truth is that the United States absolutely was allied with the USSR in WWII and only Churchill towards the end began to demonstrate any concern with the manner in which it appeared to be playing out, yet he himself was more than willing to make that bargain when the war was not going in Britain's favor.

It's a shining example of how you cannot truly control the direction a war or its aftermath will take you. War and its domestic and geopolitical repercussions are unpredictable and even when you win you may find yourself in a worse position than had you resorted to alternative means in the first place. WWII should present itself as a case study for extreme caution and trepidation in intervention for political gain but sadly we do not view the war critically enough due to its position in American folklore painting us as the most noble and magnanimous entity during this period.
Posted by FearlessFreep
Baja Alabama
Member since Nov 2009
17396 posts
Posted on 4/14/24 at 1:26 pm to
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ChewyDante
nailed it.

Occasionally popular culture, especially Hollywood, provides insight into the mindset of the US government towards its allies and adversaries. There are two movies, ironically both screwball comedies made just 3 years apart, which demonstrated the dramatic shift in US-Soviet relations.

The first, Comrade X, made in 1940 and actually released just as WWII began in earnest in Europe, portrays the USSR as a brutal, ugly, hopelessly corrupt regime, capable of senseless slaughter of their own citizens (and even the murder of their own government officials) just to maintain control - pretty dark stuff for a comic farce, but it works.



Then, in 1943 with the US fully involved, came this Warner Bros adaptation of a successful Broadway comedy, The Doughgirls, which is as close as they ever came to making a live-action Looney Tunes cartoon. In it Eve Arden (who is also featured in Comrade X) plays a Soviet sniper who befriends the title characters, and is praised for “killing Nyatzis” and extols the virtues of “Uncle Joe”.



There are countless other examples of prewar ethnic stereotypes of Germans, Italians and Japanese shown in positive lights, before they became either incompetent fools or bloodthirsty monsters after Pearl Harbor.

But make no mistake - we were full on allies with the USSR for the duration. Truman even notified Stalin of the existence of the A-Bomb at Potsdam, before the American people found out about it.
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