No. As Tucker said, since he is Speaker he gets access to the highest levels of classified material. They have handed him a bunch of bullshite about "how dangerous" the world is without 24/7 surveillance of every man, woman, and child on earth. Nevermind that this surveillance has done absolutely nothing to make anyone safer. For example, Hamas staged a veritable military invasion of Israel and no one, including CIA or NSA, had a clue.

He doesn't understand that the IC can no longer be trusted - their "assessments" are often fraught with political considerations (in other words, bullshite). Congress really has no way of knowing if CIA or NSA is handing them a line of bullshite. In today's world, those agencies are always going to lobby for more power and money, so it stands to reason they will exaggerate threats to get what they want.

I am not arguing that we don't need to spy on China or other foreign governments. But that's not what 702 is about - 702 is about spying on Americans without warrants. If you want to spy on a guy living in the U.S. who might be a foreign agent, then get a warrant. It's not that difficult. But they don't want to do that because they want to spy on people who they know are doing nothing wrong. This is the entire reason Congress sneaked a provision in this latest revision that states that 702 cannot be used to spy on Congress.

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Posted by cajunangelle

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Posted on 4/10/24 at 10:51 pm to AUstar

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Congress sneaked a provision in this latest revision that states that 702 cannot be used to spy on Congress.

notice they not only vote in their own COLA raises, but don't GAF about spying on the media, SCOTUS, or us!

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Posted by POTUS2024

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Posted on 4/10/24 at 10:58 pm to AUstar

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No. As Tucker said, since he is Speaker he gets access to the highest levels of classified material. They have handed him a bunch of bullshite about "how dangerous" the world is without 24/7 surveillance of every man, woman, and child on earth.

Before those briefings, he read the Constitution. I don't cut him any slack.

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Hamas staged a veritable military invasion of Israel and no one, including CIA or NSA, had a clue.

It seems this may not be true. I saw a former CIA guy on Judge Napolitano's channel and he said that Oct 7th is pretty suspicious. Said that the US, Russia, and Israeli HUMINT all had warning signs, Israel was notified, and yet they ratcheted down security on Oct 7th.
You may be right but certainly there are others out there suggesting that the intelligence was there to thwart that attack.

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Congress really has no way of knowing if CIA or NSA is handing them a line of bullshite. In today's world, those agencies are always going to lobby for more power and money, so it stands to reason they will exaggerate threats to get what they want.

True and I think the latest FISA authorization language makes it clear that this stuff was written by some entity outside of Congress and handed to them, with the carve outs for Congress, to help get more YES votes.

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But they don't want to do that because they want to spy on people who they know are doing nothing wrong. This is the entire reason Congress sneaked a provision in this latest revision that states that 702 cannot be used to spy on Congress.

Yep. Our Founders had several fears - one of them being the collusion between different branches, and that's exactly what we have. If the branches of government work together, they protect one another while the Constitution gets shredded, the People get screwed, and the nation gets destroyed.

It's supposed to be checks and balances, not a RICO operation.

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