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re: Fossils in Greece Suggest Human Ancestors Evolved in Europe, Not Africa
Posted on 4/12/24 at 8:59 am to Prodigal Son
Posted on 4/12/24 at 8:59 am to Prodigal Son
quote:This is just plain not true. Nonsensical even.
The point is that in all of our uniform and repeated experience- information always originates from a mind.
quote:Matter *is* information!
DNA is the information (or the instructions /code) necessary for the formation of all life. There is no known natural law through which matter can give rise to information, neither is there any physical process or material phenomenon known that can do this.
Your view of the world is fundamentally flawed. I'm sure you will say the same of me. But if you firmly believe that information cannot exist unless it is intelligently created, then there isn't much sense continuing this conversation.
Posted on 4/12/24 at 3:20 pm to Korkstand
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This is just plain not true. Nonsensical even
Source? Example of information that originated from non-intelligence?
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Matter *is* information!
I would agree with the statement that all matter contains information, but, matter itself is not necessarily information. DNA is matter, and it is information. A rock contains information- but a rock is not information. A rock is, well, a rock. Perhaps I’m misunderstanding you. Maybe a source of information would help to clarify.
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Your view of the world is fundamentally flawed. I'm sure you will say the same of me.
Finally, something we can agree on!
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you firmly believe that information cannot exist unless it is intelligently created
Did your phone type this message by itself? Do books write themselves? Why didn’t computers just evolve by themselves? How come junkyards don’t have fully operational automobiles driving themselves outta there? I mean, all the materials required for all of these things have existed together since the beginning of time. Why is it, that when it comes to, by far, the absolutely most complex thing in the entire universe (life), we sit here and pretend that it just created itself- by pure random chance, and completely unguided processes? How can you continually write off the inescapable appearance of design as an “illusion?” How is it, that an atheist, when faced with the ridiculously improbable fine tuning of the universe (that clearly had a beginning), can outright dismiss it as a completely coincidental cosmic accident? Is it really more “delusional” to believe in an omnipotent and eternal Creator, or to believe in an infinite series of infinitely improbable events?
I know that I (too often) come across as crass, rude, and arrogant. And that’s my fault- and I’m working on it. But I’m not here to win arguments. I’m here because one of the side effects of Christianity is caring for strangers- (even Mo Jeaux ) because I believe that we are all created in the image of God. Even Mo Jeaux. :lol:
We can go back and forth as long as you want to. I’m obliged to do so. Just bear in mind that all information that you present will be (1) sourced from fallible men who deny God, (2) subject to change, and (3) not provable beyond a reasonable doubt. Conversely, all information that I present will be based on, or in agreement with, the infallible and unchanging Word of God.
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