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Yes, it does. I don’t deny that I am biased towards the existence of God, and the truth of Christianity. Because of that bias, I am compelled to contend for the faith that I truly believe saves the lost, and gives peace to all who find it.
What is your motivation biased towards? Can you honestly say that it has nothing to do with the implications of discovering that God does exist, and that Christianity is true? Can you honestly say that you are completely indifferent towards the claims of Christianity? That you have no internal desire for the Bible to be proven false?

Perhaps someone seeking understanding and knowledge apart from the Bible isn't a desire to prove it false.

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Then why are we teaching that Darwinian evolution is an undisputed fact?

I keep hearing this. I've been out of school a while, but it was called a theory then. Maybe that has changed.

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Maybe. But, this just kicks the can down the road a bit. Infinite regress is logically impossible, so those multiverses and bangs would still require a beginning- and an explanation thereof

The beginning is impossible to prove, so far.

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Where does information come from?

I'm sure it's just theorized at this point. Not impossible that they exist.

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Then why pretend to have all the answers? Why even teach the origin theories? (The answer is obvious, isn’t it?)

There's legitimate science behind it.

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I don’t think so. The fossil record shows fully formed “kinds” and no transitional fossils that don’t require giant imaginary leaps in logic.

Evolutionary theory does think so; therefore, the impasse in this thread.

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Why is it important? What practical benefit is gained from the idea that humans evolved from monkeys? What world of investigation has this knowledge opened up?

You don't think it's important; others do.

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Because materialism/naturalism dictates that all of our thoughts and emotions are merely chemical reactions that are exclusively the product of external stimuli.

I doubt that's a universally held opinion even amongst proponents of evolution.

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Why do we have laws? Prisons? Police officers? Courts? Do you honestly believe that we would all behave the same way without them?

I can’t help but notice that you neglected to comment on the results of widespread acceptance of evolutionary theory. I take it as those consequences are acceptable, as long as it frees you from the acknowledgment of your rebellion against your Creator.

Because humans are prone to do bad things to each other. Lots of people haven't chosen to treat others right because they are afraid of punishment. Belief in eternal damnation after death isn't required to act right in this life.

What are the consequences of evolutionary theory you are talking about?

Why is studying evolutionary theory rebellion against our Creator?

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Yet another intended consequence of the acceptance of evolutionary theory- “We’re no different than the other animals.” “Humans aren’t special.” This line of thinking, when coupled with the lack of fear of ultimate consequences- is exactly what empowers the worst behavior in people.

We are different than animals; pretty sure this is noting similarities between us and animals. Is it proof of common ancestry? Possibly. I don't think this was an attempt to debase humanity. I don't think we'd have the positive relationships we do have with some animals if we didn't have some similarities.

And which people are you talking about? All of them? Religious people have shown themselves capable of awful things too.

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Posted by Prodigal Son

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Posted on 4/11/24 at 8:46 pm to DakIsNoLB

I really appreciate your tone. It’s very refreshing. Thank you.

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Perhaps someone seeking understanding and knowledge apart from the Bible isn't a desire to prove it false.

Perhaps. But, this would seem to be a sliver of a minority. There’s nothing wrong with (from a Christian perspective) searching for truth, outside of the Bible, that coincides with the truth found in the Bible. Theistic evolution requires an allegorical interpretation of Genesis- which (alone) is not necessarily a faith breaker. (Though, it often leads to a low view of the authority of scripture, which then leads to a form of idolatry- as one has invented his own God as opposed the One clearly defined in scripture). But, Darwinian evolution is in direct conflict with any and all Judeo-Christian beliefs on origins; as it replaces God with random, unguided natural processes. As Richard Dawkins puts it “Darwin’s theory made it intellectually fulfilling to be an atheist.” I don’t see how anyone can reconcile simultaneous belief in both.

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Where does information come from?

I'm sure it's just theorized at this point. Not impossible that they exist.

I think you may have missed the point. The point is that in all of our uniform and repeated experience- information always originates from a mind. DNA is the information (or the instructions /code) necessary for the formation of all life. There is no known natural law through which matter can give rise to information, neither is there any physical process or material phenomenon known that can do this.

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There's legitimate science behind it.

Sure there is. No doubt. But, there are also giant leaps in logic and imagination.
Bolstered by outlandish claims and media collusion that would make Joe Biden jealous.

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You don't think it's important; others do.

Of course I think it’s important. I wouldn’t be arguing the point if I didn’t think it was important. But my question is why it’s important. I make no bones about why it’s important to me. I also have a hard time believing that the reason an atheist argues for evolution has nothing to do with the sentiment behind Dawkins’ aforementioned quote.