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re: Catholic/Protestant Debate

Posted on 4/8/24 at 6:55 pm to
Posted by Furious
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Posted on 4/8/24 at 6:55 pm to
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Squirrelmeister


The Book of Enoch is rejected by Christianity. I agree it is referenced, but nowhere as much as the Old Testament prophets.

There is really no point in debating with you.

Let’s see what you do with this… You are the wisest and most intellectually advanced atheist on earth, and thus have disproven God, despite His best efforts to exist.

May God someday afford you the opportunity to have faith.
Posted by Squirrelmeister
Member since Nov 2021
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Posted on 4/8/24 at 10:24 pm to
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The Book of Enoch is rejected by Christianity

Not true. In fact it is the very foundation of Christianity. Christianity would have not existed if not for the book of Enoch (called 1 Enoch). It has these principles generally not found in the Old Testament but found throughout the New Testament:
- afterlife / resurrection of the dead
- righteous rewarded in afterlife, sinful punished
- God will judge the living and the dead
- the end of the world is coming soon
- complex angel theology
- explains the literal fall of Adam and Eve out of Eden in Heaven
- explains the Nephilim
- explains the reason for the flood
- the temple in Jerusalem and the religion of the Pharisees are corrupt
- the anointed king (the Christ) will return
- explains the position called the “Son of Man”
- explains the reason for sacrificing the goat to Azazel on the day of Atonement (Yom Kippur), but otherwise did not sacrifice animals
- the idea that people can become angels
- explains the coming kingdom of god on earth
-explained the relationship of the god most high, his son and great angel Yahweh (protector of Israel), and Yahweh’s mother the divine spirit

The book of Enoch, preserved by the Ethiopian church, as it is in their canon, is the same book found in Qumran that the Essenes preserved around 200BC, and archaeologists have found ancient copies in Ethiopic, Coptic, Slavonic, Greek, Latin, and Aramaic. This was the most important text for the Dead Sea Scroll community. For some reason, the Romans suppressed Enoch but Christianity outside of Roman control preserved it.

In the four gospels, who greeted Jesus’ followers at the tomb? Was it one or two men, or was it one or two angels? It depends on which gospel you are reading. But these are not contradictory, the men were angels - at least that is how the NT authors thought.

Compare the Old Testament and the Pharisees:
- no afterlife, all go to Sheol, the wicked with the righteous
- dead return to dust, and that is the end of existence
- the world is not ending soon
- there is no “son of man”
- they are not waiting for the return of the anointed king (messiah, Christ)
- sins are paid for by sacrificing animals regularly
- the temple is great! No need to destroy it and build it back in three days
- there is only one god, literally, and his name is Yahweh, but we can’t say his name because he might smite us, so we call him Adonai, and we ignore the Bible’s references to the many gods contained within it

The Roman church, in their ignorance, added the Old Testament in response to Marcion’s rejection of the Jewish Bible. The church added the then-current version of the Masoretic Text (circa 200AD) rather than the version the Christians used (Greek Septuagint plus Enoch). They just didn’t know any better. When they saw the obvious conflicts between Enoch and the OT, they rejected Enoch when they probably should’ve rejected the OT and kept Enoch.

And you can’t understand Paul’s epistles without understanding Enoch.

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I agree it is referenced, but nowhere as much as the Old Testament prophets.

You haven’t studied hard enough.

The four Gospels are simply historicized fictional recreations of Enoch, another extra-biblical scripture known as the Ascension of Isaiah, and Paul’s epistles. El Elyon - Theos - god most high is Jesus’ father. Jesus is Yahweh, called “Lord”. Jesus is Lord, and the son of the most high god, or simply son or God or monogenes (one of a kind) son of God. In the NT you will not find a single reference to Jesus being son of the Lord. No, Jesus is Lord, never ever the son of the Lord. Matches up perfectly with Enoch, and with Deuteronomy 32:8-9.
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