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re: Catholic/Protestant Debate
Posted on 4/8/24 at 5:16 pm to Squirrelmeister
Posted on 4/8/24 at 5:16 pm to Squirrelmeister
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In light of that logic, why can’t we have only good on earth like heaven, and if evil has to exist for good to exist, why can’t the evil just exist in hell?
Why can’t we fly? It is the way it is, you will have to hope that God reveals that at some point, although biblically, this is the result of the fall of Adam, and is a broader reality of human nature.
However, this dynamic of good and evil coexisting allows for the possibility for mankind to choose one vs the other. This is where free will comes into play.
Posted on 4/8/24 at 6:05 pm to Furious
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fall of Adam
Isn’t what you think it is. According to 1 Enoch, the most numerous scroll kept at the Qumran community of Essenes, and the most referenced book by New Testament authors, Eden was in heaven, and Adam fell to the earth when he was kicked out. It was a literal fall.
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This is where free will comes into play
The Pharaoh have free will when Yahweh hardened his heart? Did the inhabitants of Jericho have free will when Yahweh gave them into the hand of Joshua so that he could kill all their children and babies? Did the Sodomites have free will? Did Saul’s wives have free will when Yahweh handed them over to David?
Why doesn’t Yahweh stop rapists? Does he value the free will of the rapist over the free will of the innocent victim?
I thought Yahweh has a plan and knows everything and can do anything. You can’t have both of those things with free will without having a logical fallacy. But we know he doesn’t have a plan, at least not a good one, and he isn’t all powerful, else he wouldn’t have had to kick Adam out of Eden, and he wouldn’t have had to hit the reset button due to his evil running amuck on earth (Noah’s flood). If he was all powerful, he wouldn’t have enemies or adversaries, but he does, right? The devil would be pretty dumb to oppose the all powerful god if opposing him was pointless.
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