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re: Catholic/Protestant Debate

Posted on 4/8/24 at 10:47 am to
Posted by Squirrelmeister
Member since Nov 2021
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Posted on 4/8/24 at 10:47 am to
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Even with your Goliath expose, you are using different translations of the Bible to satisfy the end goal of pushing some level of inauthenticity or inaccuracy

Nope, I copied and pasted straight from the ESV for all the Goliath stories. The contradictions are simply and plainly made evident by the text of the Bible.

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not understanding that certain words in the Bible are extremely contextual to time, place, translation

Seriously can you read? In one story David is a young boy who killed Goliath. In on story David is an old man and his solider Elhanan killed Goliath.

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ASV has "evil" in Isaiah 45 but in a wildly different translation from many others that use either "disaster" or "calamity." Which is in reference to talking about the nations that would reject him.

It’s the Hebrew word “rah” which just literally and simply means “bad”. In Genesis 2, it is the tree of knowledge of good and “rah”. In Genesis 6 man and his thoughts were “rah” so God had to flood the earth and kill everyone. The people of Sodom were “rah” and sinful so they had to be destroyed. The same exact Hebrew word is used in Isaiah 45. Disaster and calamity are just some English words chosen in some translations that, in my opinion, show they are uncomfortable using “evil” in Isaiah 45 (common in earlier translations) because they don’t feel their loving god is supposed to create evil.

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But you can't pull a single passage out, interpret it on our own erroneously

Where is my error, specifically?

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then extrapolate a whole bunch of inaccurate ideas from that

I don’t know to what you are referring.

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Although I suspect you've dug in and never found a sufficient answer?

I’ve dug in and found a sufficient answer.
Posted by Redbone
my castle
Member since Sep 2012
18899 posts
Posted on 4/8/24 at 11:11 am to
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In on story David is an old man and his solider Elhanan killed Goliath.

You don't come across as being very astute.
Posted by Redbone
my castle
Member since Sep 2012
18899 posts
Posted on 4/10/24 at 9:26 pm to
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Squirrelmeister
Here is a comparison between KJV and ESV:
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KJV – This translation was created in the 1600’s. It completely excludes the Alexandrian Manuscripts and solely relies on the Textus Receptus. This translation is usually taken very literally, despite the obvious differences in use of language today.

ESV – This version was originally created in 2001. It was based on a 1971 Revised Standard Version.
So where did the RSV come from?
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The Revised Standard Version of the Bible (RSV) is an authorized revision of the American Standard Version, published in 1901, which was a revision of the King James Version, published in 1611.
So let me get this straight. Your ESV is a revision of the RSV which is a revision of the ASV which was revised from the KJV. ... So they found and corrected mistakes in KJV in 1901 and after a couple more revisions you found the hill you want to die on. ... Say hello to the fallen angel for me.

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