First, I wouldn't have hired McMahon as HC to begin with and said so at the time...not here since I didn't have an account back then...but elsewhere. But since Woodward made the mistake of hiring the guy, I can point out one huge problem...**recruiting**. As I said in another post on another thread today, he is getting the equivalent of low 4* players at best. I hate to use the recruiting services ratings but I don't have my own like I do in football. Having said that:

2023 class - Chest, Williams, Collins, Baker, Cook, Wright are all low 4* guys, Dean not even rated
2024 class - Miller and Givens low 4*

And as stated in the other post I made, you basically need to multiply by 4 to get the equivalent ordinal rating as if they were on the football scale. In other words, Miller's 65th best player in BB is really like the 260th best player in football. If you don't believe or understand that translation, make it simpler. LSU had the 50th best class for 2023...31st best class for 2024 so far. That is downright pathetic and we all know that.

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Posted by Alt26

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Posted on 2/8/24 at 4:47 pm to NotaStarGazer

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But since Woodward made the mistake of hiring the guy, I can point out one huge problem...**recruiting**. As I said in another post on another thread today, he is getting the equivalent of low 4* players at best. I hate to use the recruiting services ratings but I don't have my own like I do in football.

It's hard to defend McMahon's performance to date, but this is one area that is defensible.

His first class he signed two top 100 prospects (Reed and Ward). To put that into context, that was AS MANY top 100 prospects as the following programs signed: Texas, Auburn, Villanova, Baylor, Houston, Michigan St. It was MORE than the following programs: UConn, Creighton, Purdue, Gonzaga,

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2023 class - Chest, Williams, Collins, Baker, Cook, Wright are all low 4* guys, Dean not even rated

Low 4 star guys in what context? As HS recruits? If in the context of transfer rankings then LSU signed four "4 star" rated transfers. That was more 4 star transfers than the following: Alabama, Texas, Gonzaga, Florida, Arizona, North Carolina, Houston, Baylor, Tennessee, etc.

His current signing class has two top 100 prospects which, as we sit here today, is the same number of such prospects as: Purdue, Michigan St, Auburn, UConn, Creighton

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If you don't believe or understand that translation, make it simpler. LSU had the 50th best class for 2023

Auburn had the 67th best class in 2023. Gonzaga the 70th. Purdue 73rd. Arizona 74th!!! Did someone alert Pearl, Few, Painter, that they are pathetic recruiters!!!!!

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...31st best class for 2024 so far.

Auburn is 27th! UConn is 30th! Marquette is 33rd! Houston is 34th! Tennessee is 77th! OMG!!!! Someone please let their ADs know their programs are at risk of going down the shitter immediately because because their HCs can't recruit!!!!

You can't compare basketball to football recruiting. The rankings are much more volatile because with so few players in a class one player can drastically change an overall ranking.

Take Purdue for example...the nation's (current) No. 2 team. Here are their last five recruiting rankings:

2019 - 55
2020 - 37
2021 - 41
2022 - 30
2023 - 73

Or look at Auburn

2019 - 19
2020 - 10
2021 - 75
2022 - 20
2023 - 67

Or Houston

2019 - 61
2020 - 54
2021 - 32
2022 - 29
2023 - 24

You could make the argument McMahon has actually done a decent job of recruiting. Not Duke, UNC, Kansas, Kentucky, level good, but not bad with compared to the rest of college basketball (as illustrated above). It's getting a high ROI from those efforts that is lacking

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