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re: Dejounte Murray as a potential trade target

Posted on 1/30/24 at 3:42 pm to
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 1/30/24 at 3:42 pm to
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Unnecessary but if you feel like this makes your point stronger go ahead. I just think it weakens your argument because you’re trying to prove your credentials on a message board with no way to validate that you played basketball at a high level.




I didn't mean in it a hateful way, just simply that anyone who's played sports would never expect someone like BI to just default to #2. Not saying he would never, but someone has to take it from him, and Zion doesn't seem to want to.

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So you’re saying because BI works hard in the offseason and is more respected he deserves to be the number one option? No he doesn’t- your play on the court and talent determine that.


NO. i'm not saying he deserves it, i'm saying it's being thrust upon him b/c the person that should be taking that burden isn't. I was simply pointing out what Zion doesn't do off the court affects what happens on the court.
ANd Zions play on teh court in the clutch has been terrible, much like everyone on the team. DId you know Zion is shooting 50% from the line in the clutch, on top of the fact that he's one of the most turnover prone player in the league in the clutch.

You are right, your play on the court determines it more than anything, and it's obvious Zion isnt' ready for it.

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You act like BI doesn’t want to be #1 and would be satisfied being number #2. Well when SVG gave Zion the keys- BI it was reported that he didn’t like it and was instrumental in getting him fired. Doesnt seem like he was ok being #2 then.



Where the hell is this sentiment comign from? No one on the team liked him. If anythign ZIon disliked him the most from what i remember. He was a disaster from the get go.

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Dude this is all assumption and opinion. Look Zion has his issues which you’re not wrong on but acting like BI is the poor hard working star that saves his arse is absolutely ridiculous. There are tons of times he has done more bad than good just like Zion.



You're not getting what i'm saying. At no point have i ever said anything close to that. "BI saving his arse"?
I DON'T WANT BI TO BE THE #1 OPTION.

It's quite clear that the last shot should be created by either Zion, CJ or BI. There's no one else on the team that feels like they should take that roll but those 3, and CJ knows it should be BI or Zion.
the coaching plays a big roll in it, but at the end of the day it ends up just being a 1 on 1 thing, and if Zion just said frick it and went get the ball, then they'd give him the ball. They are literally all waiting for it to happen.


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Yet what does BI do? He’s horriblenin the clutch and takes the worst possible shots. So instead of rising to the occasion- hes part of the problem.



again, i'm not asking him to be the #1 guy. He hasn't been good in the clutch, and he never really has been in the past.
SOmeone has to take the shot.

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I’m going to be real for someone who says they played high level basketball- you seem to ignore BIs flaws and blame everything on Zion. You’re sounding like a BI stans. If you said both are completely at fault that would be a more competent argument but this sounds more like lets blame the fat arse for everything because no one else deserves the blame.



c'mon man. BI deserves tons of blame as well.

I blame Zion more b/c he's the bigger star, and has the higher potential.
We only go as far as Zion takes us, not BI. With that responsibility comes more scrutiny.
It was no different than with Jrue and AD. and what we found out is AD isn't a #1 guy. Maybe Zion isn't either, and that's fine, but if that's the case, then BI needs to be traded b/c he can't be the #1.

I just don't like blaming BI for doing things he shouldn't have to do, that Zion should be doing.

Posted by Pels_Yaz
Member since Apr 2023
9327 posts
Posted on 1/30/24 at 4:30 pm to
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I didn't mean in it a hateful way, just simply that anyone who's played sports would never expect someone like BI to just default to #2. Not saying he would never, but someone has to take it from him, and Zion doesn't seem to want to.


I know you didn’t but to act like this never happens in sports and only people who play high level sports understand this is incorrect. It was well known that when Shaq came to Miami he deferred to Dwade; both Wade and Bosh later on deferred to Bron; KD deferred to it being Stephs team in Golden State; Dame is deferring to Giannis. Its what good teams do- no one needs to take anything; smart teams who are actively trying to win, including the players figure out whats best for the team- happens all the time in sports. The immature teams, like our pelicans, have these constant issues on who’s going to take it or who wants to be number one. Its a lack of experience and immaturity on our part especially regarding our two stars.

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NO. i'm not saying he deserves it, i'm saying it's being thrust upon him b/c the person that should be taking that burden isn't. I was simply pointing out what Zion doesn't do off the court affects what happens on the court. ANd Zions play on teh court in the clutch has been terrible, much like everyone on the team. DId you know Zion is shooting 50% from the line in the clutch, on top of the fact that he's one of the most turnover prone player in the league in the clutch. You are right, your play on the court determines it more than anything, and it's obvious Zion isnt' ready for it.


Ok agree here.

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Where the hell is this sentiment comign from? No one on the team liked him. If anythign ZIon disliked him the most from what i remember. He was a disaster from the get go.


Its well known Zion still likes SVG. It was reported the main players who had issues were BI and Josh Hart. This is pretty well known and reported.

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You're not getting what i'm saying. At no point have i ever said anything close to that. "BI saving his arse"? I DON'T WANT BI TO BE THE #1 OPTION. It's quite clear that the last shot should be created by either Zion, CJ or BI. There's no one else on the team that feels like they should take that roll but those 3, and CJ knows it should be BI or Zion. the coaching plays a big roll in it, but at the end of the day it ends up just being a 1 on 1 thing, and if Zion just said frick it and went get the ball, then they'd give him the ball. They are literally all waiting for it to happen.


Agree here as well.

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c'mon man. BI deserves tons of blame as well.


Ok just making sure.

Zion deserves a lot of blame. But my thing is so do BI, the coaches and this organization. They have completed fricked this thing up. Its lack of experience by both coaches and star players on how to handle this situation. To be fair Zion is fairly young but he has severe immaturity issues and BI Im not sure is much better- the IST game against the Lakers was a perfect example.




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