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Posted on 1/31/24 at 7:29 am to
Posted by Squirrelmeister
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Posted on 1/31/24 at 7:29 am to
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Were you trying to say “I never said Jesus’s sacrifice was or was not made to God”?

I’m not sure. Sounds right though. The theology is a bit nonsensical. Jesus wouldn’t have been sacrificed to Yahweh because he is Yahweh… that is according to the scriptures. He wouldn’t have been sacrificing to his father El Elyon (Theos) because his father demanded no such thing. In the OT, they have to kill animals (and firstborn human babies) and burn them for Yahweh to be pleased. In the other hand, when Abraham meets Melchizedek (priest of the most high god) the please El Elyon by eating bread and wine. I guess the other main issue is the issue Marcion had… Jesus is supposed to be Yahweh, but Jesus cannot be Yahweh because Yahweh is a jealous narcissistic complete a-hole while Jesus is a kind, forgiving, turn the other cheek kind of guy. That second problem only manifested itself after Paul was dead and the Christians of the second century inventing tales of a human flesh and blood Jesus walking the earth, which Paul and the earliest Christians had no concept of. Paul believed Jesus was a celestial being - who was exalted as the most precious archangel to God’s right hand only after he had been sacrificed (in heaven) and resurrected.

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This is your quote I was referring to: “…the sacrifice was not made to Yahweh, because Jesus was Yahweh.”

I agree with myself on that one.

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As regards much of the rest of your post, it misrepresents Pauline theology, the gospels, and the epistle to the Hebrews.

We’ll have to agree to disagree.

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The Unseen Realm The Unseen Realm (Documentary)

I’ve been posting about Dr. Michael Heiser on here for a year. While I don’t believe in all that supernatural stuff (Heiser does) he still had a great gift to explain how the Bible authors really thought about the supernatural world. I actually have a copy of Unseen Realm (very thick book).

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The Truth is out there.

To call something “Truth” with a capital T, but without actually being able to know what that claim entails, and having no falsifiable testable evidence of such a claim, is a LIE. Gravity, cell theory, biological evolution, germ theory of disease, and the like are truth. Religious claims of imaginary beings without evidence cannot be the truth. Sorry.
Posted by Mike da Tigah
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Posted on 1/31/24 at 8:41 am to
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The theology is a bit nonsensical. Jesus wouldn’t have been sacrificed to Yahweh because he is Yahweh… that is according to the scriptures. He wouldn’t have been sacrificing to his father El Elyon (Theos) because his father demanded no such thing. In the OT, they have to kill animals (and firstborn human babies) and burn them for Yahweh to be pleased. In the other hand, when Abraham meets Melchizedek (priest of the most high god) the please El Elyon by eating bread and wine. I guess the other main issue is the issue Marcion had… Jesus is supposed to be Yahweh, but Jesus cannot be Yahweh because Yahweh is a jealous narcissistic complete a-hole while Jesus is a kind, forgiving, turn the other cheek kind of guy. That second problem only manifested itself after Paul was dead and the Christians of the second century inventing tales of a human flesh and blood Jesus walking the earth, which Paul and the earliest Christians had no concept of. Paul believed Jesus was a celestial being - who was exalted as the most precious archangel to God’s right hand only after he had been sacrificed (in heaven) and resurrected.



There’s a whole lot of scriptural misunderstanding in all of that.


Jesus sacrifice was intentionally paying the penalty of death for all mankind that deserved it. He paid the price for us, and only one without sin could pay that price as anyone else would be paying the price for their own sin, not the sins of all mankind, and so since God is sinless, only He could pay the price. And so we have Jesus, the only perfect sinless one to walk the earth, God in human flesh, often referred to as the Lamb of God, but will return one day as the Lion to judge mankind because God is Sovereign. When man puts himself up as sovereign he is only fooling himself in that.

The other animal sacrifices were symbolic of the perfect sacrifice to come, Jesus. There were NO human sacrifices given. That was a very evil false religion that God spoke heavily against in the OT, Baal. Abraham was told to sacrifice his firstborn and only child and then God prevented him from doing so, and that is meant for us to have an understanding of what it must mean to sacrifice your only child, an act that only God Himself would have to do with Jesus, and that sacrifice was intentionally planned from the beginning in order to bring man and God back into relationship with one another again. That’s why Christ is often referred to as the last Adam. The first Adam was lost because of sin, and the last Adam reconciles man and God by His own selfless sacrifice, and only because of that perfect sacrifice is there hope for mankind. That was done by the person you call narcissistic, and yet self sacrifice is one attribute you will never find in someone who is narcissistic. I do find it comical how man thinks that God has to submit to our incredibly limited understanding of everything around us, even our own existence and what purpose life actually is, as well as putting ourselves up with the actual creator and His reign universally and beyond all dimensions we are even aware that even exist at this point.

In order to not create some false religion or ridiculous understanding of scripture and who Jesus is, I’d suggest searching for God IN scripture with an open heart and mind, devoid of preconceived notions. If you search, He will find you. If you don’t, you’ll remain confused and lost.





Posted by Liberator
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Member since Jul 2020
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Posted on 1/31/24 at 8:50 am to
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In the OT, they have to kill animals (and firstborn human babies) and burn them for Yahweh to be pleased.


1) First Born HUMAN babies are sacrificed to MOLOCH.

2) In Old Testament times (before the New Covenant) Lambs and other young animals had to suffice as the "innocent" symbolic blood sacrifices, "substituting" as restitution for Man' own sin (until the eventual blood sacrifice, Son of Man, Son of God could replace "innocent blood" animal sacrifices once and for all.)

*Enter The Lamb of God*

Posted by Liberator
Revelation 20:10-12
Member since Jul 2020
9071 posts
Posted on 1/31/24 at 9:36 am to
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To call something “Truth” with a capital T, but without actually being able to know what that claim entails, and having no falsifiable testable evidence of such a claim, is a LIE.


Have you ever read the "Wisdom & Folly" chapter of the Bible? (Proverbs) Or, the "Under the Sun / Vanity chapter? (Ecclesiastes)? Truly amazing.

Anyway, once again you're reiterating your position as ignoring mountains of evidence to the contrary, slandering God and obvious testimony of His Works -- CREATION -- and calling Him a "Liar" (parroting ill-advised Gnostic-Mystic "scholarship").

You're obviously intelligent; So what's the problem? Why can't you see what others can?

"For having known God, they glorified Him not as God, or were thankful; but [i]they became futile in their thinking and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools..."

(Romans 1:21, 22)

Genesis, Scripture, Life's Observations, and the Heavens are testimony to "testable evidence" of The Creator God's Truth.

“The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands”

(Psalm 19:1).

That you can't see it once again speaks to the Lord blocking your sight and hardening heart (see Saul / Paul).

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Gravity, cell theory, biological evolution, germ theory of disease, and the like are truth.


1) Gravity: A "natural" theory invented by Newton; he admitted to his own theory NOT being provable OR proven.

2) Cell Theory: (what about it?) It's a miracle that cannot be explained by material-world "Science"

3) Biological Evolution: Darwinism is NOT proven. Not remotely. "Adaptation" yes.

NO mortal, earthy biological "life" is morphing into any "new" creature -- UNLESS that DNA is contaminated by non-human DNA (see Genesis 6, Fallen Angels / Giants / Women)

4) Germ theory of disease: Keyword: THEORY

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Religious claims of imaginary beings without evidence cannot be the truth. Sorry.


Imaginary Beings?? Like...Angels? Demons? God? Satan/Lucifer?

You mean to say, ONLY the Material World and manifestations exist? No "Soul" then? No spiritual "communication" with God, Angels (or with other nefarious beings?)

Q: Who in your opinion created the innate universally unique human traits and senses as "Love"? "Hate"? "Beauty"? Concepts of "Right and Wrong"? "Fear"? Connections of all manners of thought and emotion?

Aren't ALL of the above are "pre-loaded hardware" into every human being?

Who "built" and "programmed" Man? Or for that matter, ALL Systems of the Universe that run with precision, purpose & reason like a finely tuned clock?

With respect to "Purpose & Reason"; Would it not be irrational or in-congruent for The Creator of All Things and Man ("made in His own Image") to NOT include an "Instruction Manual"



Posted by Mr. Misanthrope
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Posted on 2/3/24 at 9:14 am to
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That second problem only manifested itself after Paul was dead and the Christians of the second century inventing tales of a human flesh and blood Jesus walking the earth, which Paul and the earliest Christians had no concept of. Paul believed Jesus was a celestial being - who was exalted as the most precious archangel to God’s right hand only after he had been sacrificed (in heaven) and resurrected.

Advancing Marcion’s heresy is risky enough business. But your insistence there was no physical human Jesus, no bodily Crucifixion, death, burial, and Resurrection beyond what second century Christians allegedly made up is more suspect. Bart Ehrman would never go there. The gospels, Acts, other New Testament epistles besides Paul’s, Paul’s epistles, all thirteen or only the seven you admit, testify to what you advance is misguided and mistaken. I don’t believe that’s understating it.

It’s interesting you applaud the late Dr. Heisner’s ability to explain the supernatural world view of biblical authors but reject his scholarly treatment of the reality of the supernatural. J

I’m finally realizing you don’t actually believe any of the views you put forward. Heretical or Gnostic. Jesus a celestial being murdered in heaven and seated at God’s right hand as an exalted Archangel, and so forth.
Your main focus seems to be to “enlighten” or confuse Christians that what they believe is both incorrect and unfounded, lacking any Biblical, textual, historical, or archaeological support. Which is, of course, is inaccurate.

Like others here who have conversed with you, I continue to pray for you to know and serve the Lord Jesus Christ, the Way, the Truth, and the Life. Your intellect has unfortunately been hijacked, tortured, and put to unholy purposes, like one of the Nine Ringwraiths, enthralled, ensnared, betrayed, and maybe becoming perilously close to being ultimately bound to Sauron. Despite that, the hard Truth is you’re in Jesus’s hands, so I’ll remain hopeful and keep praying.
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