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Jesus Christ was the “sin offering” - the sacrifice, except unlike in Leviticus the sacrifice was not made to Yahweh, because Jesus was Yahweh. Jesus sacrificed himself so that no more blood sacrifices were to be needed to renew creation,

Jesus-once for all-blood sacrifice subsumed within itself and fulfilled all Old Covenant sacrifices. The veil was rent in the Temple. Temple sacrifices ended because they were no longer necessary not because Rome tore the Temple down. Saying that Jesus’s sacrifice was not made to God because he is God is a little tricky in the Trinitarian context.

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From the Quicunque Vult:

“He therefore that will be saved: must thus think of the Trinity. Furthermore it is necessary to everlasting salvation: that he also believe rightly the Incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ.

For the right Faith is that we believe and confess: that our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is God and Man; God, of the Substance of the Father, begotten before the worlds: and Man, of the Substance of his Mother, born in the world; Perfect God, and Perfect Man: of a reasonable soul and human flesh subsisting;

Equal to the Father, as touching his Godhead: and inferior to the Father, as touching his Manhood.
Who although he be God and Man: yet he is not two, but one Christ; One, not by conversion of the Godhead into flesh: but by taking of the Manhood into God; One altogether, not by confusion of Substance: but by unity of Person. For as the reasonable soul and flesh is one man: so God and Man is one Christ.

Who suffered for our salvation: descended into hell, rose again the third day from the dead. He ascended into heaven, he sitteth on the right hand of the Father, God Almighty: from whence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead. At whose coming all men shall rise again with their bodies: and shall give account for their own works. And they that have done good shall go into life everlasting: and they that have done evil into everlasting fire.

This is the Catholick Faith: which except a man believe faithfully, he cannot be saved.

The Incarnation makes uniquely possible Jesus, in his capacity as High Priest and The Lamb of God, presenting himself and his blood to God in the heavenly Holy of Holies of which the earthly Tabernacle and Temple were mere types and shadows
As the writer of Hebrews tells us:

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But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things that have come, then through the greater and more perfect tent (not made with hands, that is, not of this creation) he entered once for all into the holy places, not by means of the blood of goats and calves but by means of his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption.

For if the blood of goats and bulls, and the sprinkling of defiled persons with the ashes of a heifer, sanctify for the purification of the flesh, how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify our conscience from dead works to serve the living God.

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Posted on 1/30/24 at 10:48 pm to Mr. Misanthrope

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The veil was rent in the Temple.

Was the veil rent before Jesus death or after his death?

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Temple sacrifices ended because they were no longer necessary not because Rome tore the Temple down.

Not true, the Jews continued to burn goats and pigeon at the temple after Jesus’ alleged death up until 70CE when it was demolished.

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Saying that Jesus’s sacrifice was not made to God because he is God is a little tricky in the Trinitarian context.

I never said Jesus was made to God. It’s clear to an unbiased reader that Paul and the writers of the gospels did not consider Jesus to be God. They believed him to be the son of God, the Kyrios (the LORD) Jesus Christ. The Greek-speaking Jews called Yahweh “Kyrios” in the Old Testament Septuagint, and in the NT they call Jesus Kyrios, the same thing they call Yahweh. This confirms to the Deuteronomy 32:8-9 worldview of the father deity (El Elyon in Hebrew, Theos in Greek, “God” with uppercase G in English) having sons and the specific son named Yahweh (Kyrios in Greek, the LORD in English) inheriting Israel.

I don’t understand the Trinity argument. It’s just illogical to me. In Paul’s epistles and in the gospels, Jesus is said to be a great angel who’s glory surpasses the other angels, Jesus is said to lowered himself without desire to be equal to God, he prays to God, he cries out to God for forsaking him, he says no one knows the time when he will return but only God the father, he says he is not good but only God is good. Paul says Jesus has the voice of an archangel. In John 8 Jesus says before Abraham was “I am”… that is a title for Yahweh (not El Elyon / Theos / god the Father). Not once in the Bible is it ever said that Jesus is the son of the LORD, but rather Jesus is LORD and son of God.

In my view, the trinitarian excuse was made because some were arguing for the existence of only one god. But we have two gods, or three if you count the Holy Spirit. They fought about this for 400 years. At the first council of Nicaea they had to decide was Jesus God, or was he not God but rather “just” the son of God. I just don’t get why it is important for there to be just one god in Christian theology. Why can’t there be more than 1 god keeping everything else the same? Trinitarians have to blatantly ignore the entire Bible which calls out a plethora of other gods as actually existing. Just look as Psalms 82 and 89 for instance.

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Jesus, in his capacity as High Priest and The Lamb of God presenting himself and his blood to God in the heavenly Holy of Holies of which the earthly Tabernacle and Temple that were mere types and shadows

Interesting. Jesus presented himself in the heavenly temple to be sacrificed. Good for you though to understand that the earthly temple was a less glorious copy of the heavenly temple. They thought there were trees, grass, animals, mountains, rivers etc. in heaven that were just more glorious than their earthly copies.

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But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things that have come, then through the greater and more perfect tent (not made with hands, that is, not of this creation) he entered once for all into the holy places, not by means of the blood of goats and calves but by means of his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption.

And this is more explicitly confirming it was the temple in heaven. The epistles to the Hebrews doesn’t mention Rome or Pontius Pilate. It says Jesus sacrificed himself in the heavenly temple, which matches Paul’s letters that Jesus was sacrificed in heaven (killed by the Rulers of this Age) and how Paul says their struggle is not with flesh but with the archons in the heavenly places.

Seems you have a theological conundrum. Paul and the writer of Hebrews (and writer of the gospel Ascension of Isaiah) writes of a heavenly great archangel who is killed by the rulers in the heavenly temple and only earns his name “Jesus” and only is exalted to more glory than the other angels after his death and resurrection.

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