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re: Is the Christian God the same God of Judaism?

Posted on 11/24/23 at 7:44 am to
Posted by Squirrelmeister
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Posted on 11/24/23 at 7:44 am to
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Mt. 3:16 Jesus was just baptized, the holy spirit descended in the form of a dove & then a voice in heaven said this is my Son, the beloved, whom I approved. They are separate.


Matthew and Luke plagiarized this from Mark. Most scholars believe this reading is not the original - that it has been edited. Scholars believe it is supposed to be like Psalm 2 “you are my son, today I have begotten you”.

Psalm 2
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I will tell of the decree: The LORD said to me, “You are my Son; today I have begotten you.


In Acts 13:13 the composer of Luke wrote:
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this he has fulfilled to us their children by raising Jesus, as also it is written in the second Psalm, “‘You are my Son, today I have begotten you.’


Hebrews 1:5
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For to which of the angels did God ever say, “You are my Son, today I have begotten you”? Or again, “I will be to him a father, and he shall be to me a son”?


Hebrews 5:5
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So also Christ did not exalt himself to be made a high priest, but was appointed by him who said to him, “You are my Son, today I have begotten you


It would be no problem for early Christians to believe in the supreme god Theos/El Elyon and his unique son and angel named Yahweh who became flesh so that he could be sacrificed. It was no problem that El Elyon begat (made/created) Jesus. It is later Christians who tried to adopt the Torah (same Torah that Paul rejected) who tried to adopt the idea of a single god. They have 3 gods, but there’s only one god. How did they resolve it 400 years later? Say there’s 3 persons in one god! It doesn’t need to make sense, because it is a “mystery”. Those later Christians scholars believe edited Mark, Matthew, and Luke to try to hide the fact that Jesus was separate and created, but they forgot about Acts 13:13 and the references in Hebrews.
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 11/24/23 at 8:14 am to
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Matthew and Luke plagiarized this from Mark. Most scholars believe this reading is not the original - that it has been edited. Scholars believe it is supposed to be like Psalm 2 “you are my son, today I have begotten you”.


Most scholars are reading into the text from the point of view that Christ was not who He said He was. They are also making conclusions based on the belief that Mark was the first gospel written because it was the shortest of the four and because it contains a passage where Christ predicts that the Temple will be destroyed. This is an assumption that the author of Mark was aware of the destruction of the Temple in the year AD 70. However, even in the year AD 29 when Christ supposedly made this prediction it wasn't much of a stretch of a prediction to make considering war between the Jews and the Romans seemed imminent even at that particular time.

There is plenty of evidence to suggest that the gospels and Acts of the Apostles were all written far earlier than modern scholarship typically dates them. The biggest of course being that the Acts of the Apostles completely ignores the Roman persecution of Christians and the martyrdom of both Peter and Paul. It also fails to talk about the Jewish Revolt and the destruction of the Temple, something that Luke would have most definitely mentioned had those events already occurred, considering his hostility toward the Jewish authorities. Also...the synoptic gospels are very friendly toward the Romans and very critical of the Jews. Whereas by the time Revelation is written around the year AD 100, you see a shift in tone toward the Romans. They are regarded by the author of Revelation (assumed to be the Apostle John) as the absolute spawns of Satan.
This post was edited on 11/24/23 at 8:19 am
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