re: Patients taking Eli Lilly's retatrutide lost 58 pounds, on average, in a phase 2 clinical

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im actually on opposite end. i dont think aerobic exercise matters that much. atleast in terms of weight management/BF% management which i beleive determines most health benifits

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LOL, there is a reason you don't see many fat serious cyclists. I burn about 1700 calories an hour just in LSD training (long steady distance) and quite a bit more doing HIIT. That sort of caloric burn is basically impossible lifting at my weight. Both have their benefits and I have do both because lifting helps me be more competitive in my chosen sports but my sports rely on power-to-weight ratio so mass is only good up to the point that power-to-weight suffers. I think doing one to the exclusion of the other is a poor call for overall health and fitness even marathoners should lift and powerlifters should not forgo cardio.

I fully maintain that morbidly obese people trying to lose weight will do better if they include cardio with weight training even looking at it from your lens they need to increase their oxygen uptake in order to be able to lift effectively, it is also excellent for their active recovery periods. One thing I will admit is to get really fit aerobically you have to be willing to suffer more than getting really strong.