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re: U.S. blasts 'ungrateful' Zelensky: America 'deserves a degree of gratitude' for $113B

Posted on 7/12/23 at 1:11 pm to
Posted by The Baker
This is fine.
Member since Dec 2011
16185 posts
Posted on 7/12/23 at 1:11 pm to
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Explain how anything that happened at the 2023 Vilnius summit “poked Russia in the eye” and caused them to invade Ukraine in February 2022. That’s what you initially stated, that the US/NATO instigated the invasion by forcing Ukraine into NATO. That did not happen and is not even happening now.


I was simply showing that NATO/US support of Ukrainian membership was not "total fiction". This was the end game and Russia knew it.

Reuters

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MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russia will take military and other steps along its borders if ex-Soviet Ukraine and Georgia join NATO, Russian news agencies quoted the armed forces’ chief of staff as saying on Friday.


This isnt complicated.

This post was edited on 7/12/23 at 1:12 pm
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
26742 posts
Posted on 7/12/23 at 1:49 pm to
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I was simply showing that NATO/US support of Ukrainian membership was not "total fiction"

No one said that it was.

I said that this:
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Nevermind that the US sealed Ukraine's fate by trying to ram them into NATO membership.

was total fiction.

Ukraine was no closer to NATO membership last February than it was in 2008 when NATO made the statement about Ukraine and Georgia. The thought that Russia suddenly decided to invade Ukraine in 2022 because Ukraine was going to join NATO is total fiction. It makes no sense, and it isn't based in reality.
This post was edited on 7/12/23 at 1:53 pm
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