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re: U.S. blasts 'ungrateful' Zelensky: America 'deserves a degree of gratitude' for $113B

Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:32 am to
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
26731 posts
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:32 am to
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Citing the US official and public support of Ukraine joining NATO. Seems better than referring to a negotiated membership action plan to argue that NATO members arent supporting ... uh... membership.

Explain how anything that happened at the 2023 Vilnius summit “poked Russia in the eye” and caused them to invade Ukraine in February 2022. That’s what you initially stated, that the US/NATO instigated the invasion by forcing Ukraine into NATO. That did not happen and is not even happening now.

But either way, nothing that anyone anywhere has said in 2023 is relevant to the discussion of whether or not the US forced Russia to invade Ukraine.
This post was edited on 7/12/23 at 11:34 am
Posted by The Baker
This is fine.
Member since Dec 2011
16185 posts
Posted on 7/12/23 at 1:11 pm to
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Explain how anything that happened at the 2023 Vilnius summit “poked Russia in the eye” and caused them to invade Ukraine in February 2022. That’s what you initially stated, that the US/NATO instigated the invasion by forcing Ukraine into NATO. That did not happen and is not even happening now.


I was simply showing that NATO/US support of Ukrainian membership was not "total fiction". This was the end game and Russia knew it.

Reuters

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MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russia will take military and other steps along its borders if ex-Soviet Ukraine and Georgia join NATO, Russian news agencies quoted the armed forces’ chief of staff as saying on Friday.


This isnt complicated.

This post was edited on 7/12/23 at 1:12 pm
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