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re: "Constitutional carry” passes in the committee and will now move on to the House.

Posted on 5/17/23 at 6:32 pm to
Posted by LemmyLives
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Member since Mar 2019
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Posted on 5/17/23 at 6:32 pm to
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My whole discussion was in the context of permitting concealed carry.


Restrictions on carry are simply barriers to entry for law abiding citizens. There are far more people filming TikTok videos while driving than there are people open carrying in the paint aisle at Lowes (you can't see me concealed carry, obv). Payments and training hour requirements for concealed carry permits are designed to keep poor people, hence minorities and old people on fixed incomes, from being able to carry legally.

Here's the rule: don't shoot anybody that doesn't need shooting. If you're stealing a Tickle-Me-Elmo, I can't shoot you. You're trying to grab someone's kid, I can shoot you. If I'm in fear of my safety, I can shoot you.
Training complete.

Every thing we do is a regulated activity, thanks for that. What you need to put into perspective is that "May issue," where a Sheriff or other LEO was required to approve your access to a permit was *expressly* to keep blacks from carrying. Think of a Sheriff in Lincoln Parish in the 1960s. Why, exactly, does an old black lady in the 9th ward need to pass an accuracy test to blast someone that is trying to steal her social security check when she leaves the bank from three feet away? What about the lady with a crazy ex that doesn't want to get hit again, needs 8 hours of "training," in order to carry a gun.

Define responsible. Define "well trained." I'll wait, and then I'll watch "common sense" politicians expand what you think is OK to prevent all kinds of ownership/carry. This has been going on for decades. Do you need to be an Eagle Scout? What if you got a DUI ten years ago?

Those are rhetorical questions, of course, because the word "reasonable" is the solace of cowards in the terms of rights.
Posted by Rabby
Member since Mar 2021
602 posts
Posted on 5/17/23 at 7:50 pm to
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What you need to put into perspective is that "May issue," where a Sheriff or other LEO was required to approve your access to a permit
I supported and still support the "shall issue" language in our concealed carry laws.

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Why, exactly, does an old black lady in the 9th ward need to pass an accuracy test to blast someone that is trying to steal her social security check when she leaves the bank from three feet away? What about the lady with a crazy ex that doesn't want to get hit again, needs 8 hours of "training," in order to carry a gun.
So in your world, people of any race, sex or age should begin blasting away with zero training. Those rounds are going somewhere and with untrained people firing them, that is not likely into the bad guy. You seem to not consider the lives of everyone else of any significance.
Also, your scenario of the check being stolen is not an example of a legal shooting situation in Louisiana. You are an example of someone in need of training.

But what I am supprting is an emphasis on serious training for people so that they have the ability to exercise this important right.
There are a few cheap and/or free options. Look at the Home Defense Foundation. We should begin a movement for expanding such training organizations which can help people learn. (I am not a big government guy.) But we should also train our citizens in basic skills which should include firearms safety.
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What if you got a DUI ten years ago?
This is already addressed in Louisiana.
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