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re: Famed atheist and biologist calls the idea of more than two genders “utter nonsense”

Posted on 3/22/23 at 7:29 am to
Posted by AwgustaDawg
CSRA
Member since Jan 2023
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Posted on 3/22/23 at 7:29 am to
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That effort is having their desired effect.


Is this a bad thing? I have no idea what the actual number is but I do know that there are people who are attracted to their own sex, attracted to both sexes and who do not self identify as the gender that society would identify them as. Is it a concerted effort to "convert" people to do any of these things or is it the fact that more people are open to considering the reality of life knowledgably? Hard to say until you consider that if it is indeed a systematic attempt at conversion then conversion may be a possibility. This leads to the question, if you accept conversion is possible, or a decision is involved in ones sexual orientation or gender identity, at what point in your own life did you decide or when were your converted to be heterosexual and identify as a man? If gay folks and trans folks, for lack of better term, are converted or decide then why is it that straight folks who are not trans do not decide. That dog don't hunt....

Anecdotally we moved cross country in 2020. The new neighborhood we moved into had about 10 girls my daughters age. 9-13 year old girls. Every single one of them claimed to be gay. My daughter included. 100%. Some of their parents were beside themselves with greif...and did and said all manner of ill advised shite to their daughters and to other people's daughters. Those girls are all 11-15 now and nary a one of them claims to be gay any longer...in fact they are ALL typically ate up with the societal expectations of girls that age. Did those girls decide to be gay for 2 years? Of course not...they were exploring their sexuality, as all people around that age do, and doing so in an era where it is done in a more open manner than in the past. There is no concerted effort that drove this...it is simply a matter of it not being taboo to them when it was something people my age would not mention and were ashamed of even thinking about. What those kids did is healthier than what kids in the past did...and the end result is exactly the same except they have no guilt to contend with that some older folks carry with them their entire lives.

I don't understand gender fluidity or whatever the term is but I can understand the term gender. I know that I never consciously made a decision to be a male and identify as a male. The first was simple chaotic biology and the second was never given a thought. In the same vein I never consciously decided I was attracted to women...I realized it when I saw Jaqueline Bisset climb over the transom of a center console boat with a wet white T shirt on in "The Deep" at 7 years of age. Logically anyone who thinks this happens as a decision or some sort of conversion must have made that decision or think they could be converted themselves. There is nothing at all wrong with that other than many of those people probably suffer from some mental anguish over their decision or the fear that they could be converted. That is an individual issue, not a societal one.
Posted by facher08
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
4484 posts
Posted on 3/22/23 at 7:55 am to
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Did those girls decide to be gay for 2 years? Of course not...they were exploring their sexuality, as all people around that age do, and doing so in an era where it is done in a more open manner than in the past. There is no concerted effort that drove this...it is simply a matter of it not being taboo to them when it was something people my age would not mention and were ashamed of even thinking about.


You're anecdote has become fairly common, especially in teenaged girls. For that reason, I believe it isn't as simple as young people naturally exploring their sexuality as you think it is. There are absolutely concerted efforts to push a specific agenda, one that has become chic and trendy in modern western culture, and that is part of the reason why you see such a spike in the younger generations identifying this way and doing so in groups.

Whether the movement is attempting conversion or not, I'd argue the spikes in gen z identification are not an indication of actual growth in the LGBT population. It would be a statistical anomaly.
Posted by pelicanpride
Houston
Member since Oct 2007
1314 posts
Posted on 3/22/23 at 12:41 pm to
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who do not self identify as the gender that society would identify them as.


We used to call these people tomboys. I was one of those growing up. I still am, really. The thing about the word tomboy is that it is a title given to a GIRL. Even though a tomboy might be into stereotypical boy stuff, it’s still understood that she is a girl. Are today’s tomboys just calling themselves boys? If so, that’s incredibly regressive and a narrowing of what a woman is allowed to be. We used to be allowed to be into sports, hate shopping, and still be considered women.
Posted by CrimsonTideMD
Member since Dec 2010
6925 posts
Posted on 3/22/23 at 2:13 pm to
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...There is no concerted effort that drove this...



Oh my sweet summer child
































The list goes on and on and on, but I'll wrap it up with a few quotes from a tenured California teacher running one of these predatory “Gay-Straight Alliance” groups for students.



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Because we are not official—we have no club rosters, we keep no records,” Buena Vista Middle School teacher and LGBTQ-club leader, Lori Caldeira, states on an audio clip sent to me by a conference attendee. “In fact, sometimes we don’t really want to keep records because if parents get upset that their kids are coming? We’re like, ‘Yeah, I don’t know. Maybe they came?”

The advice to those who run middle school LGBTQ clubs is: keep no records, so you can plead ignorance of the membership with the members’ parents



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I’m the teacher who runs our morning announcements,” Caldeira can be heard to volunteer. “That’s another type of strategy I can give you. I’m the one who controls the messaging.


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If you want to bring a new world into existence, it seems—a good place to start is with other people’s kids.


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