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re: “Never Forget the Real Reason Russia Went to War…”
Posted on 2/18/23 at 11:07 am to GnashRebel
Posted on 2/18/23 at 11:07 am to GnashRebel
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Russia’s neighbors would uniformly disagree. Explain that please.
That's a non-response. Russia being an expansionist state doesn't disprove Toomer's point. The United States military or covert ops has been actively involved in wars in multiple Central American, South American and Caribbean countries since the end of World War II. Then you have the ground wars in Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Yugoslavia, Kosovo, Afghanistan and Iraq again, not to mention our drone campaigns in Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia.
And furthermore, Toomer's points are precisely correct: those most supportive of an expansionist American foreign policy are those most opposed to Russia doing the exact same thing. Those who are crying the loudest about Ukrainian sovereignty care nothing for the sovereignty of the nation-state when we're fomenting coups, outright invading or nation building. It's cognitive dissonance at its finest.
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Posted on 2/18/23 at 11:26 am to SCLibertarian
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And furthermore, Toomer's points are precisely correct: those most supportive of an expansionist American foreign policy are those most opposed to Russia doing the exact same thing. Those who are crying the loudest about Ukrainian sovereignty care nothing for the sovereignty of the nation-state when we're fomenting coups, outright invading or nation building. It's cognitive dissonance at its finest.
1. I attacked the arguments not the ultimate point. I specifically stated that if you think staying out of it is good policy than just make that argument don’t parrot Russian talking points. Read the whole thread. And I don’t agree with all of the US policies but I also think it is absurd to suggest that most countries, in particular in Eastern Europe, see the US as the same as Russia. So don’t make those stupid arguments.
Posted on 2/18/23 at 11:26 am to SCLibertarian
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Those who are crying the loudest about Ukrainian sovereignty care nothing for the sovereignty of the nation-state when we're fomenting coups, outright invading or nation building. It's cognitive dissonance at its finest.
Posted on 2/18/23 at 11:57 am to SCLibertarian
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those most supportive of an expansionist American foreign policy are those most opposed to Russia doing the exact same thing. Those who are crying the loudest about Ukrainian sovereignty care nothing for the sovereignty of the nation-state when we're fomenting coups, outright invading or nation building. It's cognitive dissonance at its finest.
How is this cognitive dissonance? Wanting something for yourself while denying rivals the same thing is pretty much a given in international politics.
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