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re: Change my mind: The average American would be better off if Ukraine lost in the next month

Posted on 2/3/23 at 10:24 am to
Posted by NC_Tigah
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 2/3/23 at 10:24 am to
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I mean he is. That’s what he wants to do.
He wants Russia to "challenge" the collective 30 countries in NATO? Really?

So let's think about that.

The combined GDP of NATO countries is $32.5 Trillion. Russia's GDP is $1.8 Trillion. That is an 18-fold difference.

The combined population of NATO countries is 950 million. Russia's population is 143 million. That's a 6 1/2 fold difference.

NATO has been continuously expanding toward Russia since the dissolution of the Soviet Union. NATO, a military alliance, established unilaterally, >20yrs ago, Russia was not an ally. NATO announced, over strenuous Russian objections, its intention incorporate Georgia and Ukraine. Russia responded that would constitute a declaration of war. Obama and Biden pursued the course undeterred. Russia attacked.

Yet, you consider that as Putin challenging NATO?

This post was edited on 2/3/23 at 10:25 am
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 2/3/23 at 10:35 am to
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Yet, you consider that as Putin challenging NATO?


He’s challenged the west. It’s the same thing he did when he invaded Georgia then Ukraine in 2014. He ratcheted up his attacks in 2022 thinking the west would do nothing.

Since NATO is a large portion of the West, Putin certainly challenged NATO and this time they responded.

You can make excuses for Putin and say NATO forced his hand, or he was trying to make a move before his population grew old, or its the Nazis; however, the fact is he challenged the West again and the West finally reacted in a big way.
Posted by sta4ever
The Pit
Member since Aug 2014
16037 posts
Posted on 2/3/23 at 10:58 am to
Well since you know everything, why don’t you tell us what Putin’s real motives in this thing are.
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