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re: Judge calls election lawsuit ‘baseless,’ orders Kari Lake, Mark Finchem to pay court fees

Posted on 12/2/22 at 12:19 pm to
Posted by oklahogjr
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Posted on 12/2/22 at 12:19 pm to
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Yeah I'm not really speaking on the legal proceedings aspect. More along the lines of process. Clearly if the laws state that the current process is good enough, well that would need an update. The murky nature of the process would not fly elsewhere.


The Arizona voting process is actually pretty well documented and publicly available on their government website. It's pretty solid and the more research you do into the process the more you'll see why this sky screaming about voter fraud is all a political show....a very very dangerous one.
Posted by memphisplaya
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Posted on 12/2/22 at 12:30 pm to
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The Arizona voting process is actually pretty well documented and publicly available on their government website. It's pretty solid and the more research you do into the process the more you'll see why this sky screaming about voter fraud is all a political show....a very very dangerous one.


Yeah that’s why you had MC citizens at city hall screaming after they certified with obvious issues.
Posted by Turbeauxdog
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Posted on 12/2/22 at 12:47 pm to
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...a very very dangerous one.


Maybe even a dangerous threat to our democracy, right?
Posted by DerkaDerka
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Posted on 12/2/22 at 1:01 pm to
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The Arizona voting process is actually pretty well documented and publicly available on their government website. It's pretty solid and the more research you do into the process the more you'll see why this sky screaming about voter fraud is all a political show....a very very dangerous one.


I can understand that, there was a good bit of misdirected angst over here as well. Really sucked BC it took away opportunities to address legit concerns.
Posted by DerkaDerka
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Posted on 12/2/22 at 2:27 pm to
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The Arizona voting process is actually pretty well documented and publicly available on their government website. It's pretty solid and the more research you do into the process the more you'll see why this sky screaming about voter fraud is all a political show....a very very dangerous one.



I neglected to mention that standard audits have 2 distinct phases that are relevant here:
* study of the policies for compliance to standards and/or laws
* check that the work was executed as per previously studied policies.

So the policies being well designed and documented is only half of the matter. The ones responsible for execution of said policies need to be available to demonstrate faithful adherence.

Risk limiting audits and recounts really don't do the job. Again, it doesn't instill confidence to get pushback when asking questions or raising concerns. If I were a SOS in 2020 I'd have taken it as my responsibility to open everything up and demonstrate quality work even if not asked. Large parts of many constituencies were casting doubt, seems like you'd want to get ahead of it. That's just basic public service IMHO. If you were a vendor to a company and said company was concerned, you would have to show your work and calm them else you would lose your contracts. Somehow public service is different, doesn't make sense.
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