re: 2009 Free Agents

"Shockey was traded to the Saints for the Saints 2nd round pick in the
> 2009 draft. A pick that would possibly belong to the Jets if VIlma
> meets certain playing time requirements. (Jets would send Saints their
> 2009 4th for the SAints 2009 2nd or 3rd depending on playing time)

> How can the Saints and Giants do this deal, with the 2nd round pick
> already at risk to the Jets, you ask?

> Here is an answer:

> "...posted by Gary Grund...

> Earlier this evening, Brian Bassett of The Jets Blog noted that the New
> Orleans Saints traded a second-round pick in 2009 to the Giants in the
> Jeremy Shockey deal, but the pick also could potentially belong to the
> New York Jets.

> An ESPN report had this to say about how the Saints and Jets deal went
> down earlier this offseasonŠ

> Jonathan Vilma, was traded to the New Orleans Saints on Friday for a
> conditional fourth-round choice. The Jets could receive a second- or
> third-round pick in 2009 depending on how much Vilma plays and if he
> signs a contract extension. Talks have not started on a contract
> extension for Vilma, who is entering the final year of his rookie deal.

> According to Newsday¹s Tom Rock, the Jets will receive the Saints
> second-round pick in 2009 if Jonathan Vilma signs a contract extension
> and plays more than 85% of the defensive snaps and for the team this
> upcoming season. If the criteria is not met, the Jets will then receive
> a third-round pick and the Giants will get their original second and
> fifth-round picks. Now if the Jets do receive the Saints second-round
> pick in 2009, the original Shockey trade changes and the Giants will
> then receive a 2010 first-round draft pick, rather than a second and
> fifth-round pick in 2009.

> Rock¹s source tells himŠ

> ³That¹s not going to happen because the Saints hold all the cards, and
> they¹re not going to just give away that first rounder when they really
> don¹t have to.²

> It¹s been speculated that Vilma, a fellow University of Miami product,
> was one of the players who was in Shockey¹s ear, trying to lure him to
> the Saints during this summer. If that¹s the case (and we¹re not saying
> it is since that would probably be some type of tampering), Vilma may
> have recruited his way out of a new contract in New Orleans ‹ at least
> until after free agency opens up.

> Many have called the Shockey trade a win-win deal. The only loser
> appears to be the Jets, who will undoubtedly see their potential
> second-round price tag for Vilma shrink to a third.

> To sum it all up, the Giants fans want to see linebacker Jonathan Vilma
> play 85% of the snaps and sign a contract extension this season. If that
> happens, the Jets will then receive the 2009 second-round pick, leading
> to the Giants receiving the Saints first-round pick."

> We be screwd again. But anyone who ever really thought we were going to
> get much more than the 2008 4th rounder for Vilma was delusional anyway.

Look if NO, in that weak division, wants to jeopardize their chances of
winning by not playing Vilma or not resigning him, I guess he was not
worth a #2 pick. "

yeah its really confusing..