re: NBA question: Better player Bird or Barkley

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maravich played 26 games for the celtics in 79/80 and started four, he was broken down by then and lost his drive

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That’s true, but he was there playing solid as a sixth man when they needed him most down the stretch of the season and into the playoffs.

Again, I’m not saying Bird didn’t elevate his team, he’s in my top 10, clearly I think highly of him, but to say he would have found just as much success or even close to it if he didn’t land on a elite franchise like Boston is being disengenuous.

Just like had MJ landed on a shite team that remains poorly run, there’s no way we are talking about unequivocal GOAT MJ with 6 rings and one of the most storybook careers. Cause circumstance really does play a big role in what the upper bounds are for a NBA player’s legacy.

And Chuck definitely got dealt a raw hand in that regard. Not the worst ever, cause he came into the league getting to be mentored by two all timers, but by the time he got to be Birds age his first chip, those teams were a mess. Playing in the era of Jordan and the Jordan Bulls. There’s just no way.