re: Who we picking at 8?

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Does Herb and Jose prove we can add elite defense in the 2nd and undrafted?

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You could potentially get lucky and add almost anything in the 2nd round. 2x MVP Nikola Jokic was a 2nd rounder, 4x All-NBA first team and 2017 NBA defensive player of the year Draymond Green was a 2nd rounder...so on and so on.

But in terms of actual realistic expectations, you're much more likely to find a shooter/scorer in the 2nd round then anything else. If you look at the last decade (excluding this season because not enough guys have had the opportunity to establish themselves) I found 32 guards/wings that I would classify as being "second round steals."

Of those 32, I would say 22 of them outplayed their draft selection because they're good shooters or good scorers. Then 5 of them are quasi All-Stars or All-Star caliber players. The other 5 are guys that I would classify as playing mostly because they're just very good defensively.

The reasoning for this? I would say you're more unlikely to find a guy that's good defensively but also good enough offensively to justify playing that guy. The extreme example (and this guy wasn't a 2nd rounder) is Matisse Thybulle. Excellent defender, but such a negative offensively his role diminished throughout the season.

Herb and Jose are the exceptions, not the rules.