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The Biden Administration tried to give Ukraine just barely enough for their offensive, because they wanted Ukraine to retake the South, and then they were going to push for a ceasefire. They tried to micromanage the war.

Yep. It was the Biden administration who forced Ukraine to launch the counteroffensive before Ukraine was ready because Biden needed a political win. Per my sauce(s) in Ukraine they were saying a spring offensive to distract Russia but were really planning a late summer offensive. They were hoping to lure the Russians into false sense of security after a spring or early summer offensive didn’t happen. Unfortunately the Biden administration forced Ukraine to launch the counteroffensive when a small weak spot was found.

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Posted by WhereisAtlanta

Member since Jun 2016

847 posts

Posted on 12/6/23 at 8:43 pm to WeeWee

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Yep. It was the Biden administration who forced Ukraine to launch the counteroffensive before Ukraine was ready because Biden needed a political win. Per my sauce(s) in Ukraine they were saying a spring offensive to distract Russia but were really planning a late summer offensive. They were hoping to lure the Russians into false sense of security after a spring or early summer offensive didn’t happen. Unfortunately the Biden administration forced Ukraine to launch the counteroffensive when a small weak spot was found.

Eh, the Russians are sitting behind fixed defenses and are just happy to sit there and wait for the most part, delaying was not going to lull them into anything.

Russia has been throwing up defensive lines and throwing bodies at problems as long as there has been a Russia, Ukraine has to decide if it is willing to spend the massive amount of lives it will take to dislodge Russia and do it or let them keep what they have, same place we have been for 6 months.

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Posted by NC_Tigah

Member since Sep 2003

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Posted on 12/7/23 at 4:09 am to WeeWee

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Per my sauce(s) in Ukraine they were saying a spring offensive to distract Russia but were really planning a late summer offensive. They were hoping to lure the Russians into false sense of security after a spring or early summer offensive didn’t happen. Unfortunately the Biden administration forced Ukraine to launch the counteroffensive when a small weak spot was found.

That is info I hadn't yet heard. Interesting and sad if true. Has any of this been released publically in a news source?

On a related basis, given this insensible, manipulative behavior from the US, I am surprised you won't take a second look at the origins of this whole debacle. I know you've exonerated everyone but Putin himself. But now that you're that you're noting this on Team Biden's part, I'll bet you'll find the UK is in step as well. Do yourself a favor. Go back and give the runup to war a clean second look.

The same Biden team now ordering the death of Ukrainian soldiers in a premature, and therefore predictably futile attack, is the team which was in charge in the prelude to this war as well. You're a bright guy. You can't really suppose Biden & Co just suddenly grew callous over lost Ukrainian lives and the precept of a drawn out proxy war against Russia.

I know you're invested in a position here, and that isn't likely to change. But knowing what you know now, just privately give it a second look at some point. In terms of "those who don't learn from history..." it is an opportunity.