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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 12/6/23 at 7:40 pm to NC_Tigah
Posted on 12/6/23 at 7:40 pm to NC_Tigah
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From our end ("our" referring to those of us who actually pay taxes), the purchase of all equipment and other "fixed assets" transferred to Ukraine was accomplished in toto with our cash. What part of that FACT is unclear to you, facher?
None of that is unclear, but what you can't seem to grasp is that the initial investment had nothing to do with Ukraine, and over time, much of the material became outdated and marked for storage and/or disposal.
But for your "I don't want to send a penny over there" argument to work, you have to portray this material as cash. When at the time of appropriation, it objectively wasn't. Because if you were to accept that it wasn't cash, you would then likely have to defend why you would rather use taxpayer money to dispose or store said materials rather than have them put to use eliminating Russians.
And since you can't defend that point, you claim it is a "petty" argument.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 7:44 pm to facher08
quote:Of course not. It had to do with taxpayers' money spent for supposed US assets. Then the government took investments which taxpayers made, and transferred those to Ukraine.
the initial investment had nothing to do with Ukraine
Posted on 12/6/23 at 7:46 pm to facher08
ISW Update
quote:
Key Takeaways:
Ukrainian Defense Minister Rustem Umerov credited Western security assistance for empowering Ukrainian forces to liberate half of the territory that Russia occupied since February 24, 2022.
Russian forces conducted a notably large series of drone strikes against Ukraine on the night of December 5 to 6.
Russian President Vladimir Putin traveled to the United Arab Emirates (UAE) and Saudi Arabia to meet with UAE President Mohammed bin Zayed Al Nahyan and Saudi Crown Prince and Prime Minister Mohammed bin Salman in a series of bilateral meetings on December 6.
Russian oil revenues continue to increase due to a concerted Russian effort to skirt the G7 price cap on Russian crude oil and petroleum products.
Russian society appears interested in discussing the outcome of the war in Ukraine despite the Kremlin’s increasing aversion to more in-depth public discussions of the war.
Unspecified actors killed former pro-Russian Ukrainian Verkhovna Rada deputy Ilya Kiva in Moscow Oblast on December 6.
Moscow’s 2nd Western Military District Court convicted two Russian air defense officers for negligence for failing to prevent a Ukrainian strike on Russian territory in April 2022, likely to set an example to improve discipline across the Russian military.
Russian officials are reportedly attempting to funnel migrants who have ended up in Russia due to Russia’s failed hybrid war tactics on the Russian-Finnish border into ongoing force generation efforts.
Russian forces continued offensive operations along the Kupyansk-Svatove-Kreminna line, near Bakhmut, near Avdiivka, west and southwest of Donetsk City, in the Donetsk-Zaporizhia Oblast border area, and western Zaporizhia Oblast and advanced near Avdiivka.
The Russian State Duma will reportedly consider a bill allowing Russian conscripts to serve in the Federal Security Service’s (FSB) Border Service.
Ukrainian partisans may have conducted an attack in occupied Luhansk City on December 6 that killed Luhansk People’s Republic (LNR) People’s Council Deputy Oleg Popov.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 7:49 pm to facher08
quote:You are struggling.
But for your "I don't want to send a penny over there" argument to work
Let's review. I do not want to send a penny of CASH to that corrupted political cesspool. You think we should drown the environment in cash. Own your opinion.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 8:35 pm to facher08
quote:
None of that is unclear, but what you can't seem to grasp is that the initial investment had nothing to do with Ukraine, and over time, much of the material became outdated and marked for storage and/or disposal.
But for your "I don't want to send a penny over there" argument to work, you have to portray this material as cash. When at the time of appropriation, it objectively wasn't. Because if you were to accept that it wasn't cash, you would then likely have to defend why you would rather use taxpayer money to dispose or store said materials rather than have them put to use eliminating Russians.
And since you can't defend that point, you claim it is a "petty" argument.
The outdated stuff is the red herring and a small part of the total package value being sent.
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