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re: When the SEC goes to 14 or 16

Posted on 10/27/11 at 8:16 pm to
Posted by tiger perry
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Posted on 10/27/11 at 8:16 pm to
Kentucky is SEC basketball. Always has been, always will be.
Posted by Nuts4LSU
Washington, DC
Member since Oct 2003
25468 posts
Posted on 10/28/11 at 1:04 pm to
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other than with Florida, i don't feel a connection to the other East teams as it is with 12 teams.

there's sorta something there with Georgia, from 2003, 2005.

after that, there's that whole Kentucky miracle, game, the USCe Flynn Flip, umm, that's about it.


But that's something, and we've only gone through two rotations of the 5-year cycle. If we kept that up for another couple of rotations, it would grow.

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i don't think much will change IMO, with 14 or 16. we'll all still keep up with whatever is going on in the other division about like what we do now. there will be great games going on over there, we'll all recruit the same base players, etc


As it stands right now, no player (or student/fan) can go through four years at an SEC school without his team playing every other SEC team at least once. If he redshirts (or matriculates slowly) and has a 5-year career, his team will face every team twice, once at home and once on the road. That kind of frequent matchup creates at least some rivalry and comradery. We certainly identify with Kentucky, South Carolina, Georgia, etc. more now than we do with, say, Virginia Tech. Moving to a 12-year rotation will kill that. If we end up playing Virginia Tech in a bowl or NC game within the next three seasons (counting this one), we will have played them more times in a 12-year time frame than we will Georgia, Tennessee, etc. in a 6-1-1 SEC scheduling format.
This post was edited on 10/28/11 at 1:23 pm
Posted by Nuts4LSU
Washington, DC
Member since Oct 2003
25468 posts
Posted on 10/28/11 at 1:11 pm to
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Depending on how things go the next twenty years I could see the day when a Bama or Florida or even a LSU say screw this and go independent, create their own network, and schedule whoever they hell they want


Independence is an awfully tough path. Many have tried it, but it's only really worked out for one of them, Notre Dame. And even they are starting to get pushed into the conference scene.

To be successful as an independent, you really have to be amazingly consistent in having success on the field, which is tough for anybody, or some other built-in national appeal, such as Notre Dame's Catholic identity. Being in a conference provides security for the lean years that practically every school has from time to time. Virtually every school that has gone independent has found that they prefer the security of a conference.
Posted by Nuts4LSU
Washington, DC
Member since Oct 2003
25468 posts
Posted on 10/28/11 at 1:16 pm to
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So, is it your contention that the SEC had no conference identity back when scheduling was left up to the schools, and certain schools just never played each other?


Yes. Hell, even Auburn and Alabama went for a long time (decades, in fact) without playing each other. In the 1970s, I was far more likely to pay attention to A&M and Rice than to Georgia and Vanderbilt.

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Personally, I think the TV people will eventually make it worth the SEC's while to play a 9 game schedule, and even with the permanent cross-over rival, that will allow you to play everyone in the league in a 3 year window


I agree that it probably will happen, and frankly I think it has to. With 14 teams, 9 conference games and one permanent non-division rival, you would rotate six teams through two slots, so you'd be playing twice every six years, pretty close to what we're doing now with the twice-every-five-years rotation.
Posted by Nuts4LSU
Washington, DC
Member since Oct 2003
25468 posts
Posted on 10/28/11 at 1:20 pm to
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46 conference championships


That has got to be the most extreme case of domination in any major sport in any major conference in college sports. The SEC is not even 80 years old, and Kentucky has won the conference title in more than half of the years this conference has existed. That's just ridiculous, especially when you consider that the next highest number of titles by any other team (LSU, in fact ) is only around 10 or so.
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