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re: What is up with the Big 12!?
Posted on 10/5/11 at 10:00 am to chalmetteowl
Posted on 10/5/11 at 10:00 am to chalmetteowl
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you sure it can't be blamed on the other four conferences?
how in the hell can the other 4 conferences be to blame for the unhappiness of these schools? i understand where you are coming from and, if the baylor fools have their way, this will a contention fought out in the courts. i'm sure there were all kinds of flirtations and back room discussions but at the end of the day if a school is happy they stay put or work for change within a conference structure. i'm also sure there are some ACC schools that have been romancing the SEC and vice versa but it appears they are staying put. also, i think you are intimating that the big 10 and pac 10 could have turned down nebraska and colorado and therefore blaming them for those schools defections. are you ken starr?
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Posted on 10/5/11 at 10:04 am to OilfieldTrashAg
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Austin is a microcosm of what is wrong with America...
now that's just funny right there.
Posted on 10/5/11 at 10:11 am to LSU GrandDad
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Texas A&M was offered a percentage of a "Lone Star Network" with the University of Texas, with Fox Sports as the media rights' holder, but the Aggie administration laughed and said it would never be feasible.
1. It was not feasible without Daddy Warbucks/ESPN assuming all costs involved in the LHN;
2. It was not feasible because there would not be enough content, which is why the LHN is still not picked up by distributors such as TWC and Directv;
3. The third-tier rights for t.u. and A&M are partnered with IMG and Learfield respectively. One or the other would have had to buy out their marketing contracts and re-started things like their radio network, merchandising/licensing agreements, etc. just to entertain partnering on the network. I'll let you speculate if t.u. was willing to do that to get the Ags in a partnership.
Posted on 10/5/11 at 3:58 pm to LSU GrandDad
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i was simply wanting a longhorn fan's take on why the conference blew up (if indeed it continues to do so).
ESPN tried to get live high-school football on the Longhorn Network. Texas A&M balked, as well as other conference members. The Texas athletics director was conciliatory, and said he would abide by the decision of the conference, which was to ban live high school football broadcasts on individual school's networks, which the NCAA later implemented as applying to all NCAA members.
That move was thwarted.
However, ESPN has continued to push the envelope, and plans to show high-school football highlights packaged as "news;" there has been no ruling by the NCAA on the permissiveness of such a scenario.
I would say that this perceived unequal recruiting advantage is what made Texas A&M leave, and almost made Oklahoma leave. However, A&M is free to start their own network, and Oklahoma planned to start their own network in August. To think that OU would not have shown high-school football on their own network (which never got off the ground) would be naive to the max. Also, as shown by my earlier links, the Big 12 commissioner who took the fall recently was the choice of Oklahoma, not the University of Texas. Yet, for Oklahoma to stay, they demanded their hand-picked choice be fired, which he was.
As for Nebraska, Tom Osborne said the reason the Cornhuskers left was because of unequal revenue sharing. As one can also see from my previous link, that is disingenuous at best, because Nebraska was the biggest proponent of unequal revenue sharing from the start, and also planned to start their own Cornhusker Network, and keep those rights' fees for themselves. As you can see from this LINK, Nebraska teamed this past summer with DISH Network to show all Nebraska home football games to customers within Nebraska, as well as other sports.
Nebraska was also P.O.'d because the Big 12 offices relocated to Dallas, and the conference football championship was played in Texas more often than not. Nebraska was originally thwarted by Texas (and others) when the Big 12 started in the mid-90's, when other schools voted to end acceptance of partial qualifiers, Nebraska's bread and butter. Simply put, Nebraska was politically outmuscled at every turn.
As for Colorado, it was 99 percent certain two summers ago that the Big 12 was going to collapse. Remember? Texas, Texas Tech, the Oklahoma schools, Colorado, Baylor, etc. were going to team up with the (then) Pac-10.
Colorado jumped the gun and decided to strike their own deal with the Pac-10 to avoid being left out; soon thereafter, the Big 12 was "saved" by a bigger television rights' contract that kept the other 10 together.
Missouri seems to think their interests would be better served leaving, rather than waiting for the possibly imminent collapse of the Big 12. No one can blame them for that. To my knowledge, they really have no problem with the University of Texas.
The money from the Longhorn Network is not overwhelming; it's slightly more per year than what Florida gets for its tier 3 rights. It's just that it is the first network of its kind to completely focus on one school.
Posted on 10/5/11 at 4:03 pm to Tiger Phil
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Important point: What was the revenue split in the proposed "Lone Star Network"?
To my knowledge, it was 70 percent Texas, 30 percent A&M. There was no counteroffer (60-40, 50-50) from A&M, just simply "it won't work."
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The third-tier rights for t.u. and A&M are partnered with IMG and Learfield respectively. One or the other would have had to buy out their marketing contracts and re-started things like their radio network, merchandising/licensing agreements, etc. just to entertain partnering on the network. I'll let you speculate if t.u. was willing to do that to get the Ags in a partnership.
Then explain why the Aggie athletics director later approached the Texas athletics director, wanting a piece of the pie? ESPN had already stepped in, so the Texas AD told the Aggie AD to eff off.
Posted on 10/5/11 at 4:04 pm to texashorn
Posted on 10/5/11 at 4:07 pm to cyde
Posted on 10/5/11 at 4:35 pm to texashorn
Can Tigerdroppings get a "Big 12" message board so that horn can post there?
I'll go ahead and tell him what he wants to hear......the LHN was a convenient excuse to leave! It FINALLY got our admin on the same page that some of us were on last summer (before the LHN existed). If the LHN is what it takes to piss off old Ags and make them sign off on moving to the SEC (roots that were planted when the SWC was breaking up), then I'll be forever grateful for the LHN.
I'll go ahead and tell him what he wants to hear......the LHN was a convenient excuse to leave! It FINALLY got our admin on the same page that some of us were on last summer (before the LHN existed). If the LHN is what it takes to piss off old Ags and make them sign off on moving to the SEC (roots that were planted when the SWC was breaking up), then I'll be forever grateful for the LHN.
Posted on 10/5/11 at 4:50 pm to texashorn
You cared enough to write a series of books about the subject.
Posted on 10/5/11 at 4:56 pm to cyde
Geez, cyde, my gif was directed toward your response, not to the OP. 
Posted on 10/5/11 at 5:10 pm to texashorn
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Geez, cyde, my gif was directed toward your response, not to the OP
What I meant was that you cared enough about people reading what you wrote to write, like, fifteen paragraphs.
Posted on 10/5/11 at 5:17 pm to cyde
It's not my fault that you apparently have the attention span of a gnat, sir.
Posted on 10/5/11 at 5:23 pm to LSU GrandDad
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i think you are intimating that the big 10 and pac 10 could have turned down nebraska and colorado
yeah...
idk why the BCS conferences don't work together more to assure each others' survival
Posted on 10/5/11 at 5:33 pm to texashorn
All roads lead back to ESPN's desire to drive the boat.
Step 1 is to consolidate the conferences. They are well along their way - BigE & Big12 are both on the edge.
Step 1 is to consolidate the conferences. They are well along their way - BigE & Big12 are both on the edge.
Posted on 10/5/11 at 6:04 pm to texashorn
What can I say other than
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