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Posted on 8/28/11 at 11:17 pm to AAM02
I'm so scared of Texas I would rather play LSU, Bama and Auburn every year. Makes sense, right?
Posted on 8/28/11 at 11:18 pm to Palooza11
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You are right. We should stay in a monopolized conference in which the commissioner plays favorites. Gotcha
Rather than running away why don't you fight to make Texas share the wealth of the conference? You're a big school in numbers and alumni, you've got wealthy donors and boosters and the governor of your state is one of your former cheerleaders. You've got leverage by being able to leave and ruin what's left of the already weakened Big 12. Why run away, stay and take it to the next level by out recruiting and beating Texas every year. If your commissioner is not doing right by the rest of the conference, you've got how many other school's votes to the one vote of Texas? Get rid of the sucker. Again, Texas has no following outside of the state of Texas. They've played their cards well, it's time for the rest of the conference to call the bluff and start playing hard ball with Texas.
Posted on 8/28/11 at 11:21 pm to LSU NO Tigah
We do. Other schools won't. And it's bullshite that we have to constantly try and stop tu from overstepping boundaries. They take 5 steps forward and we force them back 3. It's a losing battle to stay.
Seriously, what school, given the option, would take the Big XII over the SEC?
Seriously, what school, given the option, would take the Big XII over the SEC?
Posted on 8/28/11 at 11:30 pm to WoodlandsAg07
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Do you not want us in the SEC because you're a traditionalist and like the SEC the way it is, or you don't like the way we're leaving the conference?
I ask because these seem to be contradicting statements-
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They're running away from the fight because they're mad at Texas. That's not the right reason to leave an entire conference
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Texas' ego is the real undoing of the Big 12
I completely understand the argument from SEC fans that love the SEC how it is and don't want us, but the reason we're leaving the conference is because of the Texas ego, as you kind of said.
I see how you could think that. The point that I am trying to make is that rather than leaving because you're upset with Texas and their ever growing ego, I think you need to stay and fight in your conference. You're a better fit in your current conference and everyone has bowed down to Texas because of money. You've got 9 other schools in your conference besides Texas and you all let Texas run the show and tell you all "how it's going to be." Texas A&M and the rest of the conference need to take it to the next level by leveling that playing field. Texas has no following outside of Texas. Oklahoma and Nebraska are much more revered programs by true college football fans. I don't watch Texas, have no desire to. SEC fans don't really give two figs about Texas. If the rest of the conference realized this, you might gain some leverage and it just might make your conference matter again by elevating your programs to make the entire conference better rather than allowing Texas to bully all of you and run the show. If you're conference commissioner bows to Texas, kick him to the curb, you've got 9 votes to 1!! If the rest of you are afraid Texas leaves, let them, you'll still get a BCS bid without them and your path will be even easier to that BCS game than it ever will be in the SEC.
This post was edited on 8/28/11 at 11:38 pm
Posted on 8/28/11 at 11:40 pm to LSU NO Tigah
There's a problem with this plan that was alluded to by a poster above.
The problem with staying and fighting is that many of these schools are dependent on Texas, or dependent on other schools, to maintain its membership in a major conference. Baylor, Oklahoma State, some of the north schools and Tech to a certain extent are the most notable offenders. Us and OU are the only current members that seem to have a clear track to another conference.
As long as Texas has it's money, and these other schools are attached to Texas, the Big 12 remains a conference that is somewhat viable, even if completely unstable and held together at the seams.
You keep referencing Nebraska- the fact that they left should tell you something. They were another team that could pave it's own path because of what it brings to the table. We truly were fighting a losing battle. The Big 12 isn't the SEC, which has multiple members that pull their weight financially and generate enough revenue to work together against one renegade member.
The problem with staying and fighting is that many of these schools are dependent on Texas, or dependent on other schools, to maintain its membership in a major conference. Baylor, Oklahoma State, some of the north schools and Tech to a certain extent are the most notable offenders. Us and OU are the only current members that seem to have a clear track to another conference.
As long as Texas has it's money, and these other schools are attached to Texas, the Big 12 remains a conference that is somewhat viable, even if completely unstable and held together at the seams.
You keep referencing Nebraska- the fact that they left should tell you something. They were another team that could pave it's own path because of what it brings to the table. We truly were fighting a losing battle. The Big 12 isn't the SEC, which has multiple members that pull their weight financially and generate enough revenue to work together against one renegade member.
Posted on 8/28/11 at 11:45 pm to LSU NO Tigah
Baylor, Iowa St, K-State don't belong in a BCS conference. Texas Tech and KU are borderline.
If tu leaves the Big XII the conference will cease. tu is a cash cow they are trying to mooch on. Their allegiance lies to tu. The schools that don't need tu are trying to get out
If tu leaves the Big XII the conference will cease. tu is a cash cow they are trying to mooch on. Their allegiance lies to tu. The schools that don't need tu are trying to get out
Posted on 8/28/11 at 11:53 pm to WoodlandsAg07
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There's a problem with this plan that was alluded to by a poster above.
The problem with staying and fighting is that many of these schools are dependent on Texas, or dependent on other schools, to maintain its membership in a major conference. Baylor, Oklahoma State, some of the north schools and Tech to a certain extent are the most notable offenders. Us and OU are the only current members that seem to have a clear track to another conference.
As long as Texas has it's money, and these other schools are attached to Texas, the Big 12 remains a conference that is somewhat viable, even if completely unstable and held together at the seams.
You keep referencing Nebraska- the fact that they left should tell you something. They were another team that could pave it's own path because of what it brings to the table. We truly were fighting a losing battle. The Big 12 isn't the SEC, which has multiple members that pull their weight financially and generate enough revenue to work together against one renegade member.
Nebraska left for the same reasons you want to leave rather than staying and fighting. That they're leaving damaged your conference should be a message to the rest of you that Texas is not the end all be all that it wants the rest of you to think. If Texas had left rather than Nebraska, do you think you would lose your automatic BCS bid? No. The rest of the conference has allowed Texas to bully you when the rest of the country could really care less about Texas. Say Texas left and you didn't get as huge of an ESPN contract? The amount you split between the rest of you probably would still be what you're getting now if not better because Texas wouldn't be taking the lion's share. The rest of your conference just needs to stand up and make the point. If Texas decides to leave, kiss them goodbye and kick them in the rear on their way out.
Posted on 8/29/11 at 12:03 am to LSU NO Tigah
ATL Tigah, we are Internet message board posters. We follow as well as we can. I trust that Dr. Loftin and the A&M BoR have spent tireless hours researching this from every possible angle and have concluded that it is in the longterm best interest for A&M to join the SEC.
I trust their decision making and leadership
I trust their decision making and leadership
Posted on 8/29/11 at 12:18 am to LSU NO Tigah
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If Texas had left rather than Nebraska, do you think you would lose your automatic BCS bid?
If aTm, and OU left would the Big 12 lose its auto BCS? No, but if TU and OU left there is a good chance aTm would be the power team in a conference that looks a lot like the Big East right now.
Not saying that aTm shouldn't put up the good fight, but what is there to fight for? I don't blame them for wanting to jump, their conference just lost the equivalent of Alabama and South Carolina and are looking to replace those with the equivalent of UAB and ECU.
Posted on 8/29/11 at 12:31 am to SoCal Ag 85
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I/we are exhausted w/ their shenanigans...it will be a thrill to be rid of em.
So after all the complaining about LSU backing out of the contract...you'd still rather have us than Texas to deal with?
Posted on 8/29/11 at 12:38 am to AAM02
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We still want a chance to beat your asses every year."
Everything is cyclical and aTm will be beating Texas regularly before long and will do fine in the SEC.
Posted on 8/29/11 at 12:40 am to Big Kat
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Seriously, what school, given the option, would take the Big XII over the SEC?
I would say aTm if recent memory is correct...
Posted on 8/29/11 at 1:37 am to 1BIGTigerFan
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I would say aTm if recent memory is correct...
Posted on 8/29/11 at 8:14 am to AAM02
The thing I like most about Richard Justice is he is a UT grad but has no problem telling it like it is. As far as aTm being in the conference I really don't care. It will be nice to have another close away game to travel to but the thought of occasionally losing to them is not really great. But I will admit that in order for them to be relevant they need to remove themselves from UT in some form or fashion. And I see them plus another team being on par with the last expansion of Ar-Kansas and USC...
Posted on 8/29/11 at 9:54 am to 1BIGTigerFan
Goddammit 1bigtigerfan
Posted on 8/29/11 at 10:56 am to SoCal Ag 85
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I/we are exhausted w/ their shenanigans...it will be a thrill to be rid of em.
I guess Nebraska looks pretty smart for seeing Texass for what they really are.
Big 10 was a smart move for Nebraska, the SEC would be a smart move for the Aggies.
Please be prepared for Beebe to steal some wins on the way out of town.
This post was edited on 8/29/11 at 10:57 am
Posted on 8/29/11 at 4:43 pm to schuhbdoo3
You don't really believe that bo pelini bs about the NU A&M game do you? Sure there were a few bad calls, but when do the big12 refs not screw something up?
Posted on 8/29/11 at 6:13 pm to Sig
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You don't really believe that bo pelini bs about the NU A&M game do you?
Watched the whole game. The nut grab by AtM on the TE for NU was nice and the TE for NU gets the personal foul.
18 penalties to 2 or 3. It was beebe special!!!
Pelini went on record and said one of the refs told him he was getting bent over on this one.
You watch. How about NU being left off the Big 12 championship game ticket. Just a printing error.
Posted on 8/29/11 at 6:41 pm to schuhbdoo3
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schuhbdoo3
It's a lot harder to see pinch compared to a kick. Most of your penalties were dumb procedure issues. The only bad call was the pass interference.
And I didn't know Nebraska was left off the ticket, definitely beebe
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