re: So let me get this straight--TEXAS is the bad guy?

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Then in the 90s, the SEC expanded to 12 members as the SWC began to fall apart. The Big 8 was jealous and eager to get a championship game like the SEC. Sounded great on paper but from the get go the Texas schools shifted power in their direction -- starting with the 7-5 vote to move conference HQ from Kansas City to Irving, TX.

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The four Texas schools had seven votes?

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for some reason fear life without Texas unless the SEC, B1G, or P12 is an option.


You have a serious lack of imagination if you can't think of a reason.

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It's financially beneficial to a lot of these teams to be associated with Texas. But Texas is the bad guy. Can't argue with that logic.

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The four Texas schools had seven votes?

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Meh. Let's just say Colorado and the Oklahoma schools may have been trying to give the finger to Nebraska by siding with the Texans.

Politics makes for strange bedfellows.

Everyone is saying that Tx A&M probably won't be able to compete in the SEC. That might turnout to be true. But at least they have got the balls to join the SEC. Can't say that for Texas. They know that they could never run the conference like they do in the Big 12 and that road to a BCS game might even be a little tougher for them in the SEC.

It's financially beneficial to those teams, because most of them would never get invited to another AQ conference.

The big 12 was set up to starve the poor and fatten the rich, because, teams like ISU, or Kansas State didn't have the support of a Texas, OU, or Nebraska. Fine, they'd accepted their place as conference filler that once in awhile jumps up and bites people on the field in exchange for the added money that an AQ conference generates. Make no mistake about it though, it's a league that is only held together by lack of options and isn't financially viable if Texas isn't there.

They know that, so they are forced as a conference to do whatever Texas tells them Texas is going to do.

It's like someone beating a bunch of hookers but still paying them. They benefit financially, but that doesn't make the dude doing the beating not a complete jerk-off in anyone's world but yours.

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It's financially beneficial to those teams, because most of them would never get invited to another AQ conference.

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Well, maybe Big East, but you're pretty much right.

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The big 12 was set up to starve the poor and fatten the rich, because, teams like ISU, or Kansas State didn't have the support of a Texas, OU, or Nebraska. Fine, they'd accepted their place as conference filler that once in awhile jumps up and bites people on the field in exchange for the added money that an AQ conference generates.

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And they should accept this status because they're extremely lucky to be where they are. Baylor, Texas Tech, Iowa State, and Kansas State (and pre-$$$ Oklahoma State) are worthless.

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Make no mistake about it though, it's a league that is only held together by lack of options and isn't financially viable if Texas isn't there.

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Interesting point. I would ask, then, If those schools aren't financially viable as a conference without Texas, who the hell are they to call Texas a bully? Shouldn't they be thanking Texas every day for making them financially viable?

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It's like someone beating a bunch of hookers but still paying them. They benefit financially, but that doesn't make the dude doing the beating not a complete jerk-off in anyone's world but yours.

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Great analogy. You're right--the pimp is an a-hole. But if the ho can't leave him and go get a job somewhere else and take care of herself, that's ultimately her problem and not the pimp's. Texas is the pimp because ISU, KSU, BU, TT, etc agreed to be the hoes.

And this is the problem that I have with A&M's fan base. They're playing the part of the battered ho, when the fact is that they've ALWAYS been one of the pimps--they're just tired of getting out-pimped by Texas.

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My point exactly. They're all just as evil as the next. Texas isn't the bad guy; they're a bad guy. So is A&M, OU, NU, etc...

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I don't think you have made any points. Most of what you have said simply doesn't make sense to most of us on here - do you not get that? A&M, CU, NEB etc are not the bad apples here.

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A&M, CU, NEB etc are not the bad apples here.

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You're wrong. CU left. NU left. A&M has tried to leave.

But Texas--the team that has stayed, is somehow the cause of instability in the Big 12. Riiiiiiiiiight...

For A&M, CU, and NU to cast a bad light on Texas as the bully and the villain is like KMart, Target, and Safeway calling Wal-Mart a big, evil corporation.

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But Texas--the team that has stayed, is somehow the cause of instability in the Big 12. Riiiiiiiiiight...

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yes, you are not that smart are you?

look at what the LHN is/has done to the Big 12, and it hasn't even started yet. why didn't UT help get the Big 12 Network started if they're so interested in keeping the B12 together?


I don't think that their job is to babysit the Big 12. Their job is to look out for themselves--same as everyone else.

'babysit', 'same as everyone else'...? i hope you're referring only to the Big12 and not lumping the SEC in there. that is simply not true for the SEC.

all the teams in the SEC attempt first, to do what will help the conference the most. because they understand that whatever makes the conference stronger, makes the individual teams stronger as well.

UT's interest SHOULD have been to make the Big 12 the best it can be, that only helps UT. instead, Texas is taking the approach of me-me-me, which in the long-term, is going to leave them with no conference, or traveling to the West Coast for every away game, with no true rivalry's, and will slip into the category with the Pac12 of no one caring what goes on over there.

it's really sad. the Big 12 (with 12 teams) was my 2nd fav conference after the SEC. i can only help but think that Colorado and Nebraska saw that things were only going to get worse and got out while they could, now aTm is attempting to do the same.