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If education is SUCH a big deal, then why not consider this as well..

Posted on 9/20/11 at 4:49 pm
Posted by Dilrod
Charleston, WV
Member since Sep 2011
254 posts
Posted on 9/20/11 at 4:49 pm
The Rhodes Scholarships were established after the death of Cecil Rhodes, who dreamed of improving the world through the diffusion of leaders motivated to serve their contemporaries, trained in the contemplative life of the mind, and broadened by their acquaintance with one another and by their exposure to cultures different from their own. Mr. Rhodes hoped that his plan of bringing able students from throughout the English-speaking world and beyond to study at Oxford University would aid in the promotion of international understanding and peace.

Each year, 32 U. S. citizens are among more than 80 Rhodes Scholars worldwide who take up degree courses at Oxford University. The first American Rhodes Scholars entered Oxford in 1904.

Rhodes Scholarship is the most prestigious scholarship awarded to graduating college students. It is based on academics, leadership, moral and courage. Here are the top colleges over the history.

Ranking College Number of Rhodes Scholars
1 Harvard 323
2 Yale 217
3 Princeton 192
4 West Point 85
5 Stanford 82
6 Dartmouth 60
7 UChicago 45
8 Brown 45
9 Virginia 45
10 Naval Academy 43


11 Duke 39
11 UNC 39
13 MIT 36
14 Air Force Adademy 35
15 U of Washington 35
16 Williams 34
17 Wisconsin 29
18 Cornell 27
18 Swarthmore 27
18 Texas-Austin 27
18 Montana 27

22 Columbia 26
22 Vanderbilt 26
22 Oklahoma 26
25 Washington STL 25
25 Michigan 25
25 U of the South 25
25 Kansas 25
25 Mississippi 25
30 West Virginia 24
30 Minnesota 24

32 Davidson 23
32 Arizona 23
32 Georgetown 23
35 Berkeley 22
35 Amherst 22
35 Utah 22
38 U of Alabama 23
39 Georgia 21
40 Idaho 20
41 Harveford 19
41 Penn 19
43 U of Nevada 18
43 U of Wyoming 18
45 U of New Mexico 16


Also, as far as markets go for viewership Mizzou is definately in a bigger market, but does that really mean anything if noone is watching them? They don't sell out their stadium AND pull 23rd in viewership with 1,084,889 fans against WVU's 29 with 959,403. Not exactly stellar numbers for either team but both are right on par with the majority of the sec.

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S.E.C.
7th Auburn 1,900,389
8th Alabama 1,879,881
9th Florida 1,811,922
16th LSU 1,245,490
21st Tennessee 1,120,175
22nd Georgia 1,098,957
24th So. Carolina 1,067,499
26th Arkansas 990,859
34th Kentucky 907,666
49th Mississippi 602,288
50th Mississippi St.550,779
64th Vanderbilt 379,975

So really the arguments should not weigh as much towards Mizzou as you guys are putting into it.

We sell more apparel, more seats, travel better and bring almost the same amount of fans. Yes we are lower ranked in a BS rating of Universities (read how they are rated, complete bull, there is no real way to weigh the schools that way)

The argument could be made either way for Mizzou or WVU, but when it comes to football, money and fanbase. WVU has way more to offer than Mizzou. And remember, WVU used to be a smash mouth team before the days of RichRod. Not like we can't play like that again.

I for one would like the chance to prove to the big boys in the SEC that we can compete with them (we have a winning record against SEC teams btw) and would love yearly battles with you guys. If it doesnt happen.. Oh well nothing to pout about. I honestly think if WVU did come to the SEC our fan base would grow trememdously as fans of other schools would root for us to beat you guys every weekend.

If not.. oh well Welcome to Morgantown this weekend.
Posted by Clockwatcher68
Youngsville
Member since May 2006
7266 posts
Posted on 9/20/11 at 5:07 pm to
quote:

The argument could be made either way for Mizzou or WVU, but when it comes to football, money and fanbase. WVU has way more to offer than Mizzou.


For me, you are preaching to the choir. I am all for WVU to the SEC.
Posted by Tigerntx
NOLA
Member since Jul 2011
1309 posts
Posted on 9/20/11 at 5:21 pm to
Education is a smokescrean for the SEC. WVU is still a possibility if we are going 16+ or don't get OU/OKSt.
Posted by jcole4lsu
The Kwisatz Haderach
Member since Nov 2007
31006 posts
Posted on 9/20/11 at 5:22 pm to
as reported, the ACC turned WVU down based on athletics.

SEC turned you down based on tv sets.
Posted by JawjaTigah
On the Bandwagon
Member since Sep 2003
22748 posts
Posted on 9/20/11 at 5:28 pm to
quote:

WVU has way more to offer than Mizzou.
I agree. I hope somehow this works out that y'all are part of the SEC family, and if Mizzou wants to come along, let 'em come on in too. We'll just have to find #16.
Posted by Ashin Kusher
Oxford, MS
Member since Apr 2011
533 posts
Posted on 9/20/11 at 5:38 pm to
Honestly in my opinion its likely that WVU will be invited because with talks of Mizzou being added it seems wise that the SEC would go to 16 teams as will the ACC. This kind of rules out any ACC teams from leaving their conference.

So the Big East and Big XII collapse are the only place to pull teams from so we pull Louisville also from the Big East, unless Oklahoma comes.

As it looks now:
#13 - aTm
#14 - Mizzou
#15 - WVU
#16 - Louisville/USF or OU/OSU/KU/Kstate or TCU

Posted by Dilrod
Charleston, WV
Member since Sep 2011
254 posts
Posted on 9/21/11 at 1:21 am to
Also, WVU would be second in graduation rates in football if they were in the SEC. Only Vandy would be higher. Yes WVU is even higher than Mizzou.

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Posted by attheua
Tuscaloosa
Member since Apr 2008
5442 posts
Posted on 9/21/11 at 1:41 am to
They've got this huge disclaimer on their website-

quote:

Please keep in mind though that the Rhodes Scholarship competition has never been a national one, so state and institutional comparisons are not particularly relevant or meaningful.

The Scholarships are technically allocated to "states," and not to the "United States," and for some years early in the last century each state was entitled to the same number of winners (be it either, e.g., New York or Wyoming). And for most of the subsequent years, under various regional schemes where the states have been grouped in districts -- indeed until just a few years ago -- the odds of being elected a Rhodes Scholar varied state to state, making state-by-state comparisons over time of little meaning or significance. This is also true of institution-by-institution comparisons as well, as those colleges and universities in states with relatively fewer other universities and colleges (that is, for example, Nevada or Delaware or New Hampshire and others) inherently offered its graduates far better chances for selection than those with many (for example, the neighboring states of California or Pennsylvania or Massachusetts and others). The numbers are thus especially prone to misinterpretation when they include many Scholars elected in the early decades of the Scholarship when certain state advantages were very pronounced.



I don't think the SEC's chief concern is academics here, anyhow.
Posted by BayouBengals03
lsu14always
Member since Nov 2007
99999 posts
Posted on 9/21/11 at 2:11 am to
I want West Virginia if we have to expand.

Hopefully we can just send A&M packing.
Posted by MikeyFL
Member since Sep 2010
9897 posts
Posted on 9/21/11 at 7:20 am to
Education isn't a big deal. But for some administrators at some universities, research money and the quality of graduate programs is a HUGE deal. Being associated, in a conference, with research heavyweights like Berkeley, UCLA, Michigan, or Northwestern is extremely meaningful.

The Rhodes Scholarship has nothing to do with that, especially since it concerns a tiny group of students who go to Oxford.

Posted by bayou2003
Mah-zur-ree (417)
Member since Oct 2003
17646 posts
Posted on 9/21/11 at 7:37 am to
quote:

We sell more apparel, more seats, travel better and bring almost the same amount of fans. Yes we are lower ranked in a BS rating of Universities (read how they are rated, complete bull, there is no real way to weigh the schools that way)

The argument could be made either way for Mizzou or WVU, but when it comes to football, money and fanbase.


That's good and all, but what is your endowment compared to The University of Missouri. I promise you if Mizzou wanted, they could dish out some good money. The SEC just don't want someone good in athletics, they also want a GOOD school, school with MONEY, good support system. Want an image that you have GOOD universities in the conference, you know those nice little commercials bragging about conference schools.
Posted by Tigahs
Member since Jan 2004
22836 posts
Posted on 9/21/11 at 7:46 am to
WVU is ranked nearly at the bottom of US News & World Report's ranking of US colleges.

We don't care how many damn Rhode scholars u got
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