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Challenge to Texas fans
Posted on 6/12/10 at 2:45 am
Posted on 6/12/10 at 2:45 am
I have a question for Texas fans:
Why is Texas so concerned over whether A&M goes to the SEC or the Pac 16? I mean, threatening to never play them again? That tells any reasonable person that Texas NEEDS A&M on board for the move to the Pac 10. Another dumbass (excuse me, poster- no wait, dumbass fits better) had the gall (or temerity, for the vastly smarter Texas alumni reading) to blame it on the politicians. This was stupid and defied even the simplest logic (though due to Texas liberal leanings I expect their graduates to neither understand nor use logic). If a politician (or consortium of politicians) wishes to weild their power over a university, they use the only power a politician has over a school- money. Politicians wishing to force a move would simply make it known to the powers that be that defying their wishes would result in a delay of funds to said school. Yet, that was not the threat made against A&M. The threat made against A&M was that the other Texas schools (namely, Tech and the pink horns) would no longer schedule A&M in sporting events. That is a threat made by school presidents and athletic directors. If A&M was, as so many intimated, holding Texas back from joining the Big 10, why must they be on board to join the Pac 10? Certainly it is not for the sake of the rivalry, as many good rivalries (Georgia-Georgia Tech, South Carolina-Clemson, Florida-FSU) are maintained despite the two teams playing in differet conferences. Texas is trying to force A&M's hand for one of ONLY two reasons: Either the expected deal with the Pac 10 is not as lucrative unless all three major Texas schools are on board with it. OR, Texas is worried that A&M might get a leg up by playing in the SEC. Which is it Texas fans?
As an aside, I would also be curios as to what Texas fans actually think the Pac 10 brings to them other than a sissy conference that Texas can bully now that USC is down. Certainly it is NOT the money, as Texas would stand to make more with the SEC (the ac-10's profit st year was abysmal). Nor is it the academics, as Texas lets idiots (ie Vince Young) play on their teams anyway. So what is it Texas?
By the way, this is especially directed to Dr. Dunkenstein, after his (or her) poorly thought out other thread. Please tell me you didn't actually GRADUATE from Texas did you? That might actually confirm my deepest held suspicions about many institutes of higher learning.
Why is Texas so concerned over whether A&M goes to the SEC or the Pac 16? I mean, threatening to never play them again? That tells any reasonable person that Texas NEEDS A&M on board for the move to the Pac 10. Another dumbass (excuse me, poster- no wait, dumbass fits better) had the gall (or temerity, for the vastly smarter Texas alumni reading) to blame it on the politicians. This was stupid and defied even the simplest logic (though due to Texas liberal leanings I expect their graduates to neither understand nor use logic). If a politician (or consortium of politicians) wishes to weild their power over a university, they use the only power a politician has over a school- money. Politicians wishing to force a move would simply make it known to the powers that be that defying their wishes would result in a delay of funds to said school. Yet, that was not the threat made against A&M. The threat made against A&M was that the other Texas schools (namely, Tech and the pink horns) would no longer schedule A&M in sporting events. That is a threat made by school presidents and athletic directors. If A&M was, as so many intimated, holding Texas back from joining the Big 10, why must they be on board to join the Pac 10? Certainly it is not for the sake of the rivalry, as many good rivalries (Georgia-Georgia Tech, South Carolina-Clemson, Florida-FSU) are maintained despite the two teams playing in differet conferences. Texas is trying to force A&M's hand for one of ONLY two reasons: Either the expected deal with the Pac 10 is not as lucrative unless all three major Texas schools are on board with it. OR, Texas is worried that A&M might get a leg up by playing in the SEC. Which is it Texas fans?
As an aside, I would also be curios as to what Texas fans actually think the Pac 10 brings to them other than a sissy conference that Texas can bully now that USC is down. Certainly it is NOT the money, as Texas would stand to make more with the SEC (the ac-10's profit st year was abysmal). Nor is it the academics, as Texas lets idiots (ie Vince Young) play on their teams anyway. So what is it Texas?
By the way, this is especially directed to Dr. Dunkenstein, after his (or her) poorly thought out other thread. Please tell me you didn't actually GRADUATE from Texas did you? That might actually confirm my deepest held suspicions about many institutes of higher learning.
This post was edited on 6/12/10 at 2:55 am
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Posted on 6/12/10 at 3:46 am to secfan123
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Certainly it is NOT the money, as Texas would stand to make more with the SEC (the ac-10's profit st year was abysmal)
The Pac-10 is negotiating a new TV deal that will pay each team $20 million+ a season. It's going to start in 2012 and Fox is going to be the station. They are going to start carrying Pac-10 games on the national Fox station, as well as have a Pac-10 network. Larry Scott hired the guy that launched the Big-10 network, so the Pac-10 will know what it's doing.
The main reasons Texas is coming:
1) Money. They would get money anywhere, but last year their TV revenue was $10 million. Under the new Pac-10 deal, their revenue will likely be more than double that.
2) They get to keep their rivals. None of the Texas public universities are going to get left out of this expansions deal, so they are able to bring Texas Tech and Texas A&M along if they want to, as well as keep their rivalry with Oklahoma by bringing them along as well.
3) Academics. You say it doesn't matter, but it does. Texas wants to be associated with the Pac-10 academics rather than the SEC academics. This is more of a priority for the higher ups at the colleges than any of the fans.
Posted on 6/12/10 at 5:30 am to TDawg1313
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1) Money. They would get money anywhere, but last year their TV revenue was $10 million. Under the new Pac-10 deal, their revenue will likely be more than double that.
Laughable. The SEC after expansion will be splitting well over $20 million per school. The Pac whatever is the SEC's little bitch when it come to revenue and always will be. Even after this shakes out. Hell, the Pac whatever will be lucky to even be third behind the new Big 10.
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2) They get to keep their rivals. None of the Texas public universities are going to get left out of this expansions deal, so they are able to bring Texas Tech and Texas A&M along if they want to, as well as keep their rivalry with Oklahoma by bringing them along as well.
Texas is trying to threaten A&M and A&M is telling Texas to frick off. A&M says we will play you if you still have the balls when we are in the SEC.
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3) Academics. You say it doesn't matter, but it does. Texas wants to be associated with the Pac-10 academics rather than the SEC academics. This is more of a priority for the higher ups at the colleges than any of the fans.
Again, :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:. Guess that is why Texas is bringing Texas Tech and Okie Light instead of Baylor, because it is all about the academics.
No, it is about having a ball sac. A&M found their's. Bevo is still looking for his.
Posted on 6/12/10 at 5:51 am to secfan123
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OR, Texas is worried that A&M might get a leg up by playing in the SEC
Not this. Aggy has become irrelevant to most Texas fans. They aren't even considered to be the arch rival anymore by most Texas fans. OU has taken that spot. Aggy is a bottom dweller in the conference. How the hell is going to SEC going to turn them into a powerhouse again anyway? How did that work out for Arkansas?
Posted on 6/12/10 at 5:57 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
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Why is Texas so concerned over whether A&M goes to the SEC or the Pac 16? I mean, threatening to never play them again?
The University and its alumni & fans wants to part ways with A&M.......it is the politicians in Texas who are trying to keep the schools together, just like when the SWC exploded and Texas wanted to abandon its little brothers but was blocked.
Posted on 6/12/10 at 5:58 am to dudeilovebeer
Because the SEC is THE big dog and always will be. The Pac whatever will always be a second tier conference (or more likely 3rd behind the new Big 10). Kids that want to compete against the best, get NFL ready, and gauge how good they really are, will always gravatate to the SEC where Big Boy football is played.
The Pac whatever will always be second or third rate in comparision. Kids that do not have the balls to see how good they are and test themselves against the best in the land will head west for little girl ball, until they occasionally have the chance to play in a BCSCG and get their teeth kicked in by the big boys.
The current Big 12 is better than what will come out of the Pac whatever league. Mark it down. Texas will be the big dog there and kick arse. Unfortunately, they will never be challenged by the competition SEC teams will. Consequently when they do make it to the BCSCG and face an SEC team, they will get their arse kicked. This past year, Texas was ready and had a good team, that will not always be the case playing in the New Pac whatever.
The Pac whatever will always be second or third rate in comparision. Kids that do not have the balls to see how good they are and test themselves against the best in the land will head west for little girl ball, until they occasionally have the chance to play in a BCSCG and get their teeth kicked in by the big boys.
The current Big 12 is better than what will come out of the Pac whatever league. Mark it down. Texas will be the big dog there and kick arse. Unfortunately, they will never be challenged by the competition SEC teams will. Consequently when they do make it to the BCSCG and face an SEC team, they will get their arse kicked. This past year, Texas was ready and had a good team, that will not always be the case playing in the New Pac whatever.
Posted on 6/12/10 at 6:00 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
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The University and its alumni & fans wants to part ways with A&M
One thing we agree on dude.
Hope it works out best for both of us.
Posted on 6/12/10 at 6:03 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
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Consequently when they do make it to the BCSCG and face an SEC team, they will get their arse kicked.
I don't understand how the flagship football program from the state with argueably the best highschool talent in the nation is going to become uncompetitive simply because they are not in the SEC. And no, aTm will never take that flagship status away from Texas.
Posted on 6/12/10 at 6:24 am to secfan123
You SEC blowhards really crack me up. I'll give you credit and admit that the SEC is the best overall conference. However the way you guys try to make it sound like it's a week to week blood bath and that the worst of the SEC is better than the best of other conferences is ridiculous. The SEC is top heavy with 2 teams just like every other conference. Right now you have Florida and Bama.
Posted on 6/12/10 at 6:29 am to soonerhater
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The SEC is top heavy with 2 teams just like every other conference.
Wrong. UGA and LSU have the talent to shove it up any team in America's arse right now. Auburn will be back in that position shortly talent wise.
And if you do not think every weekend in the SEC is a weekend for big boys that are ready and prepared to bring it, look no further than UT/Bama and AU/Bama last year.
Like Gene Stallings said, you better be a MAN before you join the SEC. Bevo does not appear ready and probably never will be. UT seems to be about bullshite excuses and the easy road from what I can tell. And I NEVER had a problem with UT until they tried to shovel this academic bullshite to us SEC fans the last few days.
Posted on 6/12/10 at 6:31 am to soonerhater
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The current Big 12 is better than what will come out of the Pac whatever league.
That is a silly statement and you know it. The 2 best teams from the Big 12 were TX and OU and they are coming. The bad teams like A&M and Baylor and Iowa State aren't coming.
Posted on 6/12/10 at 6:32 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
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UGA and LSU have the talent to shove it up any team in America's arse right now.
Yeah LSU really showed Penn State didn't they? With Bama's rise you have LSU fall. With Florida's rise you see UGA fall. It's a simple equation and you see it in every conference.
Posted on 6/12/10 at 6:32 am to Dr Drunkenstein
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UGA and LSU have the talent to shove it up any team in America's arse right now.
LSU - yes
Georgia - definitely not
Posted on 6/12/10 at 7:26 am to Dr Drunkenstein
There is no doubt Texas and OU could both play in the SEC. But what you don't understand is the depth of the SEC.
Yes we are top heavy like every other conference. But what separates the SEC is the Auburns, LSU's, UGA's, Tennessee's….. teams that have a as much history and tradition as the top of any conference. And on any given day can beat your arse.
The big 12 didn't have that depth. The Pac 16 will not have that depth. The new big 10 will not have that depth.
Football is King in Texas. I understand that. What I don't understand is being to chicken shite to play the best every week. If you truly want to be the best in the words of Rick Flair "you gotta beat the best". And the best are in the SEC. We have proven that....
I personally could care less if Texas joins. I honestly don’t think Texas fits this conference very well. They seem more of a “Wine and Cheese” crowd. I think A&M fits a lot better. I think Virginia Tech fits better. They may not make us as much money. But the cultures at both schools blend more with this conference than Texas IMO.
Also I would not underestimate what A&M could sell kids in Texas if they were to join this conference. Kids want to be seen. Playing the late games out west isn’t the place to do that. ESPN and CBS on primetime is……
Yes we are top heavy like every other conference. But what separates the SEC is the Auburns, LSU's, UGA's, Tennessee's….. teams that have a as much history and tradition as the top of any conference. And on any given day can beat your arse.
The big 12 didn't have that depth. The Pac 16 will not have that depth. The new big 10 will not have that depth.
Football is King in Texas. I understand that. What I don't understand is being to chicken shite to play the best every week. If you truly want to be the best in the words of Rick Flair "you gotta beat the best". And the best are in the SEC. We have proven that....
I personally could care less if Texas joins. I honestly don’t think Texas fits this conference very well. They seem more of a “Wine and Cheese” crowd. I think A&M fits a lot better. I think Virginia Tech fits better. They may not make us as much money. But the cultures at both schools blend more with this conference than Texas IMO.
Also I would not underestimate what A&M could sell kids in Texas if they were to join this conference. Kids want to be seen. Playing the late games out west isn’t the place to do that. ESPN and CBS on primetime is……
Posted on 6/12/10 at 7:51 am to secfan123
Which institute of higher learning taught you that curious is spelled "curios"
Posted on 6/12/10 at 7:51 am to secfan123
Which institute of higher learning taught you that curious is spelled "curios"
Posted on 6/12/10 at 7:55 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
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Even after this shakes out. Hell, the Pac whatever will be lucky to even be third behind the new Big 10.
As of right now, the Big10>SEC in terms of per team payout from the contract. Supposedly the SEC gets 17 per team while the Big10 pays out 20-22mil per team.
SEC has a different type of contract though. Not sure exactly how it pans out. Texas' best bet(especially academically) is the Big10.
Posted on 6/12/10 at 8:11 am to BuckeyeFan87
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As of right now, the Big10>SEC in terms of per team payout from the contract. Supposedly the SEC gets 17 per team while the Big10 pays out 20-22mil per team.
That's technically correct. The Big-10 pays $20.2M per team, but $6.5M comes from the Big-10 Network. So only $13.7M per team from their TV deal and bowl money.
In the SEC they get over $17 million per team from their TV deal and bowl money, and instead of a league network each team has their own pay-per-view networks. I think UF made another $10M from this, but they were probably on top in this regard. It might not be the case down the road, but for now I'd find it hard to believe that on average this was not comparable to the Big-10 Network. If that's the case, the SEC is up by $3.6M per team.
Posted on 6/12/10 at 6:17 pm to Dr Drunkenstein
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The University and its alumni & fans wants to part ways with A&M.......it is the politicians in Texas who are trying to keep the schools together, just like when the SWC exploded and Texas wanted to abandon its little brothers but was blocked.
Boy, I though Texas was sspposed to be a good school, yet your reading comprehension seems to have failed you. Politicians don't retaliate by threatening schedules- they threaten funding. And why would Texas politicians care about where A&M goes? As stated VERY CLEARLY in the original post, rivalries are quite easy to maintain even tough two schools may be in different conferences.
Oh, and the academic argument is laugh out loud PATHETIC. Athletic conferences have little to nothing to do with a school's academic standing (Vanderbilt seems to have NO problem maintaining their standing). The only way it would affect a school is if atheletes cannot get into a school because of academic standards. Vince Young had NO problem getting in and I'm sure he's not the only idiot the Pink Horns have had on the roster in the last few years (and Ohio State, don't go giving me that crap that its harder for atheletes to get into a Big 10 school- Maurice Clarett was no rhode scholar and Robert Smith had a few things to say on the subject as well).
This post was edited on 6/12/10 at 6:33 pm
Posted on 6/12/10 at 6:22 pm to PowerTool
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Hope it works out best for both of us.
Absolutely; the best case scenario is for both schools to get what they want.
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