re: Call me Burkeian....I'd prefer the SEC as it is

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You can say the same thing about Vanderbilt.

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Eh, not exactly the same. Vanderbilt is a charter member of the SEC with a pretty strong heritage in the conference. And Vandy basketball and baseball are both respectable programs. Arkansas is just a program that's a long way from the core of the SEC. They're not bad people, not a bad program, and they certainly bring a strong AD to the table, but it's Arkansas....who cares.

And adding A & M would be Arkansas - even worse.

nevermind I found it

What generates money from college sports?

my answer: Fanbase/Winning

The SEC has the best most loyal fanbase in the country and we DOMINATE college sports.

Even when USC was hot shite they couldn't sell out their own games half the time.

Here is their attendance average. The stadium hold over 100,000 people and they can't fill it and LA is the second largest city in the country

University of Southern California (USC) Football
USC Trojans Website

Location: Los Angeles
Nickname: Trojans
Colors: Cardinal & Gold
Stadium: Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum; built 1923; off-campus; grass surface; seats 92,000
Average home game attendance: 87,476 (2007)
First football season: 1888
Conference: Pacific Ten
All-time win, loss, tie record (through 2009 season): 773-307-54

Records differ between the 2006 USC football media guide and 2006 UCLA football media guide. (This may be due to only keeping records for "home" games until the 1950s.) The USC Media guide lists the top five record crowds as:

1. 104,953 — 1947 vs. Notre Dame (Highest attendance for a football game in the Coliseum)
2. 103,303 — 1939 vs. UCLA (USC home game)
3. 103,000 — 1945 vs. UCLA (UCLA home game)
4. 102,548 — 1954 vs. UCLA (UCLA home game)
5. 102,050 — 1947 vs. UCLA (USC home game)
The UCLA Media guide does not list the 1939 game against USC, and only lists attendance for the second game in 1945 for Coliseum attendance records. These are the top three listed UCLA record Coliseum crowds:

1. 102,548 — vs. USC 1954
2. 102,050 — vs. USC 1947
3. 100,333 — vs. USC (second of two meetings, 1945; USC home game)

ALL THE RECORD CROWDS ARE FROM THE 50's AND 40's

Placebeaux, you don't get two links. You get one.

Breakdown of Conference Media Deals ... SEC is #3

I say they lose money on the PAC 12 deal bigtime.

That's a very Georgia/Atlanta centered worldview.

People living in Memphis certainly work with and live around Arkansas alums. LSU people living in and around New Orleans probably rarely encounter Carolina people.

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A 16 team SEC will mean the death of the greatest league this decade

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how so?

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The desire for 16 team conferences is the dream child of the Pac10 and B1G to dilute the SEC.

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a lot of people said the same things you are saying when the SEC added Arkansas and USCe seem to work out just fine.

If the SEC goes to 14-16, we will be playing at most 1 other Conference game, which is the same as the B1g and Pac 16 will be playing, so it won't be any tougher in league play that it is now really.

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Meh. I think there's greater risk of eventual league insolvency here than with previous expansion. South Carolina was a natural fit, Arkansas isn't all that far fetched (regardless of my thoughts on the matter). But with the addition of more teams, you'll really begin to put a strain on the conference, much moreso than currently exists.

You will begin to draw more and more teams away from natural rivalries/conferences for money, which'll eventually push the boundaries for the viewer/participant market.

As an example, would any of you care as much if LSU played in the PAC 10? Be tougher to hate USC and Oregon because you don't have as much in common with them and they're much further away. That diffusion of the natural culture of college football is what the eventual risk is.

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ETA: I'm not crazy about the idea my self, but the clucker is right, I'd rather be proactive than re active.

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I'd rather just remain steady in the boat, pushing this is a zero sum game.

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I just don't agree with Arkansas not being SEC-like

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You people are fine, chill out, I should've rephrased the initial post I suppose. I don't really have any issue with Arky being here. We don't have any rivalry at all with you guys, I know you're building one with LSU, Bama, Auburn; but most of the east looks at you with susupicious eyes. But you're here, so .

The meat of the argument is though, that Arkansas is kind of a stretch, as much as you have in common with us.

But A & M?