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re: Better 1st SEC Season? A&M or Mizzou?

Posted on 10/22/11 at 2:20 am to
Posted by 870Hog
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Posted on 10/22/11 at 2:20 am to
I think Bama will be more than a toss-up than auburn next year just because bama loses so much and the barners are a very young team. Plus barn always does better on even years because of their home schedule.
Posted by coldhotwings
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Posted on 10/22/11 at 2:22 am to
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Offensively, we should be fine. We lose Cyrus, Tannehill and Fuller, but return our entire OL, Micheal, and the rest of our WRs. As long as we get decent QB play, we will score points.


Scoring points in the SEC isn't like scoring points in the Big 12. Keep in mind that Arky has one of the weaker defenses in the SEC. You will be lucky to avg 30 ppg without Tannehill
Posted by coldhotwings
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Posted on 10/22/11 at 2:24 am to
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I think Bama will be more than a toss-up than auburn next year just because bama loses so much and the barners are a very young team. Plus barn always does better on even years because of their home schedule.


Barn and Bama both will be better at QB. Bama reloads on defense and Lacy will be another high-output Bama back once Trent leaves early for the draft. New Aggie QB vs Bama defense = bad news.
Posted by 870Hog
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Posted on 10/22/11 at 2:25 am to
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Keep in mind that Arky has one of the weaker defenses in the SEC


Easy there. Do some research. We have had the most injury depleted D this year. when we played yall we had 2 starting Cbs, 2 staring DEs, and 1 DT out. Plus our All-SEC FS had been benched for under performing.
This post was edited on 10/22/11 at 2:26 am
Posted by TheCheshireHog
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Posted on 10/22/11 at 2:30 am to
Isn't he an LSU fan?
Posted by 870Hog
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Posted on 10/22/11 at 2:32 am to
frick if i know, all I see is the aTm SECede thingy..
Posted by coldhotwings
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Posted on 10/22/11 at 2:34 am to
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We have had the most injury depleted D this year. when we played yall we had 2 starting Cbs, 2 staring DEs, and 1 DT out. Plus our All-SEC FS had been benched for under performing.


SEC defenses isn't just about putting your starters on the field. Top defenses have starter worthy guys playing backup. Let's take a look at the SEC West for an eyeball test since TAMU will be joining the west. I'd say Arky has better D than Ole Miss and Auburn and that is it.
Posted by coldhotwings
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Posted on 10/22/11 at 2:36 am to
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Isn't he an LSU fan?


yes
Posted by 870Hog
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Posted on 10/22/11 at 2:40 am to
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SEC defenses isn't just about putting your starters on the field


Yes its about rotating to keep fresh, when u removed 3 Dlinemen from rotation, that will kill about any Dline.

As for backup, our backup CB's have been better than our starters IMO for some reason Willie hasn't taught them how to not tackle yet.

TT hasn't been himself since he tried to shoulder tackle TR imo.

As for a better D i'd say better than everyone but Bama and LSU. LSU should win the SEC next year with ease imo.
This post was edited on 10/22/11 at 2:41 am
Posted by StrickAggie06
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Posted on 10/22/11 at 2:49 am to
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Guaranteed losses to Bama, LSU, Arky, and Auburn next year. Toss up with Miss State and will lose to a team from the SEC east.


LSU is the only game I would be willing to call a guaranteed loss. Given Bama losses, underwhelming Auburn D, and the fact that we were destroying Arky before we literally handed them the game this year, we absolutely have a chance to beat those teams. Assuming we get 2 of those games at Kyle, we could very well win both. If Arky counts as away but is at JerryWorld, and we get Bama and Auburn at Kyle, 3-1 isn't impossible. I'm not saying it's going to happen, but I don't think you can call those games guaranteed losses.

As far as the East goes, it completely depends on who we play and which team is the away game. We could definitely win both, depending. I feel confident we will beat MSU regardless of where that game is played.

We won't be playing anyone from the BigXII and non-conf should be pretty easy next season. Like I said, at this point without seeing the actual schedule, 8-4 is a very reasonable prediction.
Posted by coldhotwings
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Posted on 10/22/11 at 2:49 am to
I wouldn't pick Arky's D over MSU's D. MSU is the only team to hold LSU to less than 35 points. They held LSU to 19 points and LSU is averaging close to 40 ppg right now.

SEC East:

I don't count on Arky having a better D than UF and UGA in a normal year and SCar has one of the best defenses in the SEC. Tennesee normally has a stout D but it has fallen apart due to off-field problems.
Posted by 870Hog
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Posted on 10/22/11 at 2:57 am to
Talking about this year. We held Bama to 17 on offense. They just KILLED our ST's.(The fake FG Petrino admitted was his fault for not calling a timeout.)

I'll admit our D hasn't been good at all but it has been progressing. Will we be on Bama's or LSU's level? No. But no reason not to think we arn't on everyone elses.

I would say we will see how our D does in a few hours but its Ole Piss so that doesn't really count (Bye weeks fricking suck but I have been ready to see a healthier D)

I expect Tevin(?) Mitchel to end up becoming a Lockdown CB for us in the future which will be nice.

I was really looking forward to the Tenn/Ark game until Bray got hurt and the Ark/SC game until Lattimore got hurt...
Posted by coldhotwings
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Posted on 10/22/11 at 3:00 am to
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LSU is the only game I would be willing to call a guaranteed loss. Given Bama losses, underwhelming Auburn D, and the fact that we were destroying Arky before we literally handed them the game this year, we absolutely have a chance to beat those teams. Assuming we get 2 of those games at Kyle, we could very well win both. If Arky counts as away but is at JerryWorld, and we get Bama and Auburn at Kyle, 3-1 isn't impossible. I'm not saying it's going to happen, but I don't think you can call those games guaranteed losses.


Keep in mind that Arkansas lost their best offensive player Knile Davis not too long before TAMU played them in Dallas. Also keep in mind that their QB is a first year starter and will be better next year.

Bama is never going to be a rebuilding team under Saban. They are just going to reload on defense and their d-line will just get better because they are young this year. You will be forced to throw on Bama so good luck without Tannehill and Fuller.

Auburn's problem on offense is at QB so whoever starts next year will be a veteran. I assume it's going to be Moseley. Dyer is coming back and will be one of the best backs in the country. Auburn D will improve a lot from this year.

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I feel confident we will beat MSU regardless of where that game is played.


TAMU loses in Starkville with a new QB.

Posted by coldhotwings
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Posted on 10/22/11 at 3:06 am to
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Talking about this year.



TAMU will be playing in the SEC next year so this discussion is about how they will fare next year vs SEC defenses. Arky loses pretty much their entire secondary, defensive end, and a linebacker so I don't see how Arky's D can compare to the top half of the SEC next year. Having Knile Davis back and an experienced Tyler Wilson will be too much for TAMU to handle.
Posted by 870Hog
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Posted on 10/22/11 at 3:10 am to
Yea got a little off topic.
Posted by StrickAggie06
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Posted on 10/22/11 at 3:22 am to
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Keep in mind that Arkansas lost their best offensive player Knile Davis not too long before TAMU played them in Dallas. Also keep in mind that their QB is a first year starter and will be better next year.


Bama scored 38 pts on Arky, with I believe 21 coming on defense and special teams. We scored 35 IN THE FIRST HALF ALL ON OFFENSE. And it was at a neutral site as opposed to home. Arky is a coin flip game as it's been the last 2 years.

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Bama is never going to be a rebuilding team under Saban. They are just going to reload on defense and their d-line will just get better because they are young this year. You will be forced to throw on Bama so good luck without Tannehill and Fuller.


Fuller has been a non-factor so far this year due to injuries, with Swope and Nwachaku being the main targets. Both return next season, and Fuller's backup is actually quite good. Also, a lot of people didn't think we would be very good this year with Tannehill, similar to you assumption the next QB will struggle.

We are LOADED at QB and have one of the best QB coaches in the country. As far as running the ball, our entire OL returns and will be one of the Top5, if not the #1, OL in the country and 3 stud backs in Micheal, JUCO Marion Grice, and 5* incoming FR Trey Williams. Our offense will be fine, trust me.

Finally, no team is a guaranteed loss when playing at Kyle Field. Ask OU last yr, when they walked in feeling confident and lost by 14. Arky, LSU, Bama, and Auburn completely depend on location of the game, although I think we lose to LSU regardless next year because they will be stupid good.

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Auburn's problem on offense is at QB so whoever starts next year will be a veteran. I assume it's going to be Moseley. Dyer is coming back and will be one of the best backs in the country. Auburn D will improve a lot from this year.


Our run D has been consistently great the past 2 years and I don't expect that to change. Auburn's offense isn't designed to torch secondary's like the offenses that have given us trouble, so that game is far from a automatic loss, especially if at Kyle Field.

Finally, we aren't going to lose to MSU. Even in Starkville, their offense will have ZERO chance of keeping pace with ours, even with a new QB. Their only hope is that we turn the ball over at a ridiculous rate. At worst, @MSU would be a coin flip, but I will be very surprised if we lose that game no matter where it is played.
This post was edited on 10/22/11 at 3:26 am
Posted by Tokyeaux
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Posted on 10/22/11 at 3:46 am to
a&m is the better program and has a brighter future, but it's gonna really suck for them the first several years in the sec west. a&m will adjust though and become competitive.
Posted by coldhotwings
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Posted on 10/22/11 at 3:50 am to
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Bama scored 38 pts on Arky, with I believe 21 coming on defense and special teams. We scored 35 IN THE FIRST HALF ALL ON OFFENSE. And it was at a neutral site as opposed to home. Arky is a coin flip game as it's been the last 2 years.



Would it be safe to assume that Bama called off the dogs when they took a ginormous lead? Bama offense isn't predicated on scoring a lot of points. Their offense is based on making you die a slow painful death as they control the clock and you are unable to score on them. Coin will once again flip in Arky's favor.

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Fuller has been a non-factor so far this year due to injuries, with Swope and Nwachaku being the main targets. Both return next season, and Fuller's backup is actually quite good. Also, a lot of people didn't think we would be very good this year with Tannehill, similar to you assumption the next QB will struggle.



Fuller not making much noise has probably more to due with defenses keying on him which allows other receivers to put up numbers. I don't know who is dumb enough to say Tannehill will cause the offense to struggle. Tannehill lit up the conference during the second half of last year until he hit the brick wall that is LSU. This guy was an NFL QB prospect prior to the start of this season.

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We are LOADED at QB and have one of the best QB coaches in the country. As far as running the ball, our entire OL returns and will be one of the Top5, if not the #1, OL in the country and 3 stud backs in Micheal, JUCO Marion Grice, and 5* incoming FR Trey Williams. Our offense will be fine, trust me.


CMike isn't going to run 200 yards vs good SEC defenses and probably won't see 150 against those defenses unless Sherm decides to run him to the ground. Don't talk to me about stud JUCO RB's or a 5-star slot receiver sized HS kid before they even set foot on the field. Brent Calloway was a 5 star out of HS and all he has gotten are splinters from riding the pine and a recent drug charge. This kid is a more prototypical SEC back at 217 pounds BTW.

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Our run D has been consistently great the past 2 years and I don't expect that to change.


Against who? Against Big 12 spread teams that don't play fundamental football and can't run? Look at how well your run D did against LSU last year. 288 yards on the ground with 2 100-yard rushers. True freshman Spencer Ware gained 102 yards on the ground with a 10.2 ypc average. Prior to that game, Ware rushed for all of 73 yards for the entire season. You don't have Von Miller anymore.
Posted by coldhotwings
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Posted on 10/22/11 at 3:59 am to
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We are LOADED at QB and have one of the best QB coaches in the country. As far as running the ball, our entire OL returns and will be one of the Top5, if not the #1, OL in the country


Who is feeding you this stuff? Loaded at QB with no experience? Really?

Because you return your entire o-line does not make your o-line the best in the country. Your o-line hasn't seen a nasty pass rush. I promise you your o-line won't even be top 2 in the SEC.
This post was edited on 10/22/11 at 4:00 am
Posted by hoginthesw
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Posted on 10/22/11 at 5:54 am to
None of this talent talk means shite as long as they have Sherman. He's a guaranteed positive for their opposing teams. For three years he has mad horrible adjustments in our games and BP has flat out coached him.
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